"Obama is set out to kill the 2nd amendment. I'm pretty sure if he is elected and tried to push this kind of thing, he'd end up assassinated or at the very least carry on one of the most shameful sessions of the presidency."
Bush has already attacked the 1st Amendment and further provisions that specify seperate and equal but different 3 branches of government. Last thing we need is for Obama to attack our Constitution as well (although I don't have the evidence that he will).
"I own lots of them (so I make up for you). I don't think the government would ever have much success with a gun grab. The average American wouldn't be so willing to give them up without a fight... What are they going to do, arrest us all and throw us in to camps?"
That's my stance as well. More than 1/2 of all Americans own guns including me. As long as we all stick together on this issue what can they do? Unfortunately many NRA types just flat out lie about gun control. They insist that ANY reasonable gun control is unreasonable. And that's really ashame for the rest of us.
"Obama has also supported the concept of a National police... Sounds like Germany in the '30s to me. He's for the "working people""
We already have a National police force. FBI, CIA, etc... I for one support this idea but only because being in TX I've encountered how dirty local law enforcement really is. I think if they all had the same rules and people to report to this would decrease greatly. What is the difference between a local law enforcement that can do anything they want compared to a Federal law enforcement that at least has some federal restrictions on what it can do?
"I feel the same.....I really don't think there are any candidates that are worth a crap anymore."
Boy you got that right. I hate them both. I'll probably just right in Ron Paul either way even though I know it's a wasted vote.
"There was a survey, I believe 26% of the Blacks polled said they would vote for him just because he is black. Only 8% of whites said they wouldn't vote based on that reason and that reason only."
Well Blacks make up like 13% of the US population. So that is like 39 million blacks so 26% of that is just over 10 million blacks that will vote for Obama just because he is black. White is defined as White and Latino and it's around 76% of the US population so that is about 228 million people of which 8% is 18.24 million people that will not vote for Obama just because he is black. He is losing way more votes to his color than he is gaining. My Great grandmother is a life long Dem from the South and she is not voting for Obama because he is black.
"you don't understand how the Democratic mind works.."
It's really a disservice to many good Americans that you attempt to label people (so incorrectly I might add) by their political affilation. Did it ever occur to you that most Dems might be USA loving, hard working Americans that just have a different direction in mind for our nation? They might just recognize a problem w/ the Corporate Industrial Fascist Complex that has been created by allowing corporations to basically set our nations direction? The idea that some how Dems are less patriotic is ridicoulous and actually just doesn't jive w/ the real statistics of who serves in our military and who is sending their kids to fight.
"This is what I pulled from the Obama site. My point here is who do we believe?
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack
Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of
Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,
own, transport, and use guns."
It's a little thing called local State control. In Chicago they have a real problem w/ handgun violence so they introduced a hand gun ban
Here is McCain agreeing w/ it in principal:
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
If Obama becomes prez there is no reaon to suspect that he would introduce any laws that would interfere w/ the 2nd. That was a state senator action in response to a local problem and would not be his job anymore. If Obama got the House to introduce a Federal gun control bill (no indication he would do this) and it was unConstitional in regards to the 2nd the Civil Liberties Union would go after the law like a bulldog. The only way to avoid this would be to repeal the 2nd amendment entirely and that will not happen in our lifetimes.
This by the way is why Bush wanted to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning Same sex marriage; because he knows if it was just a law it would be struck down as UnConstitutional.
A mormon once told me that they believed as part of their faith that the Founding Fathers had divine intervention when they wrote the Bill of Rights because they wer so brilliant in how fair and timeless those right are. I'd say I have to agree w/ them.