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Old 04-29-2011, 05:45 PM
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Common Rail 7.3

I don't know how to embed a video... but here's the link

CRruns.mp4 video by golfert444e - Photobucket

it's running on a 7.3L PCM through our IDM8 instead of the factory IDM.

little ways to go before it goes to the engine dyno...but yesterday was a good day.
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:49 PM
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Sick! Good job guys!
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about time, sweet!

sounds kinda like a semi motor, i love it!

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Can't wait to see this jewel perform and it just goes to show anything can be done with a little bit of time!!!
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makes my sticker peck out
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Nice knowing people aren't giving up on the 7.3. Congratulations, that's a major achievement in itself just to get it to idle.

Now let's see that thing smash some Powerstroke records.
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What traces are we seeing there on the scope? They look stable & square. I like.

I think my wallet is going to hate me when this is released. I was thinking about it the other day and came to the conclusion it was a dead project. Good to see I was wrong!
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Will keep a eye on this one!!!!

Looking good guys!!!
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so sick! wonder how much the conversion would cost? how affordable will it be?
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I will be one of the first in line if this project comes avaliable for sale to the general public. Very nice work guys! Time to show the new boy diesels on the block the 7.3 still is the boss!!
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That sucker sounds TOUGH!!!

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that's it im comin to la vergne to check that baby out
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dannys gonna sell the uhoh and get another 7.3 again, just wait lol
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I get a funny feeling that a BTS isn't going to hold behind this monster... Glad this project is coming to fruition.
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that test run was normally aspirated wasn't it? looks awesome guys
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There is now another reason on my list of why not to sell my truck when I eventually get the chance to upgrade to a newer truck
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That thing idles really smooth!
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gonna be interesting... glad to see it running
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I take it the black box under PCM is a swamps creation or adaptation.
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What injectors and rails are you guys useing and how much rail pressure?
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That's awesome, great job guys

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it's running on a 7.3L PCM through our IDM8 instead of the factory IDM.

little ways to go before it goes to the engine dyno...but yesterday was a good day.
Dave, looking great!! Super effort Jon!! I want to check it out when I'm down in 2 weeks. Is that my block?
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I believe that it is all 6.4 common rail hardware, right????
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They shrink the inj holes to fit the cr inj in there? you can put 3 cr injectors in the 1 heui inj hole.
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Any more problems to figure out?

What kind of rpms?
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Thats one of the best sounding engines I've ever heard, great job guys.
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Before video 8=D

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I want one, and awesome job.
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I agree. Awesome!

Before video 8==D

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So I noticed you said its running off a 7.3l pcm (obviously retuned) and an idm8. I'm surprised there's no more tuning hardware. I don't know what else but you know what I mean? Like a 6.4l pcm or something like that. Nothing real extravagant?
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They shrink the inj holes to fit the cr inj in there? you can put 3 cr injectors in the 1 heui inj hole.
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Friggin awesome. Pretty sure I am going to need one.
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That's badass...get the electronics working and you might just have a nasty little monster on your hands
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Damn I was just looking at 6.4 fuel parts this week wondering if anybody had done something with them ....... Low and behold they are !
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AWESOME!!! Not at all how I thought it would sound. Very nice!

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This is some cool chit! That has come a long way since i was down there last March.. That whole panel of stuff is amazing how it all is working there.. had to be a wiring nightmare?? Now is that where it will eventually be dynoed? Just attach a electronic/water brake dyno to it?
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That sure is interesting! Its came quite a ways since seeing just the valve covers at schieds in 09'!
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Before video 8==D

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and how much was this?
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Is the injection system going to be a multiple event system or single fire?

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Great work guys wish i would have had time to stop down by u guys when i was in Memphis this past week keep us posted this is great news guys !!!!!!!

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Awesome! I'm possibly interested in doing this to my truck when it comes out, depending on price. What is the estimated price range?

Any thoughts on using 6.7 injectors? What would be the difference? Better, worse?
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That sounds so sweet when it fires up. Maybe one day I could afford something like that.
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Just so those who don't already know, know.. this setup isn't the 'i might be interested in this if the price is right' type. If you are even considering this you need to not even have a budget limit
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Everyone has a budget limit but that limit is certainly not going to be in your typical limit I am sure. My guess would be some where between 15-30k depending what part yo bring to the table to begin with. This above and beyond a built base engine. Obviously the more to share the cost of the intial r&d the better it will be but never low cost
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this setup isn't the 'i might be interested in this if the price is right' type. If you are even considering this you need to not even have a budget limit
This setup is awesome, but for what it takes to make it work there's no way most people could justify doing it for a daily driver. This will be an all out performance mod.
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What kinda power levels do you think could be achieved. Is this gonna yield more than a heui systems available now? Or are we gonna see about the same. Just alot more streetable on high hp apps!
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CR in a higher displacement engine has pretty incredible potential I'd think.
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What about in inducer limited sled pulling classes though? Obviously more than the heui system but what do you thing about the 1000hp mark in this case?
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This will def make more power than heui. Look at what the 6.4 is makin and it should be close to that if not more due to the displacement difference.

Now when I comes to inducer limited classes I believe it will make more power than heui just due to the ability to rev higher and the increased injection pressure.
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What about in inducer limited sled pulling classes though? Obviously more than the heui system but what do you thing about the 1000hp mark in this case?
i would think eventually 1k could be done on a 2.6 w/ cr. the dodges are doing it.
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Well, my uneducated ass thinks that the atomization possible with common rail goes a long way toward makin power. Should do well even with a smaller turbo.
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Aren't the dodges making the power on a smaller turbo because of the smaller displacement? I don't really understand exactly why but I'm thinking that is what I read a while back.
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What kinda power levels do you think could be achieved. Is this gonna yield more than a heui systems available now? Or are we gonna see about the same. Just alot more streetable on high hp apps!
This should allow the 7.3 to go over 1k on fuel only pretty easy I would think. It'll take a while to get the tuning dialed in, but we're no longer limited to 4xx cc's of fuel in 2.xx ms. Plus the inability to fuel at high rpms has been taken away.
Look at what the p-pump Power Strokes are doing. This will allow the same thing but with more control over fueling and the motor.
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Tarm- I figured I had my wires crossed somewhere. So its higher boost from a smaller turbo. Thanks for clearing that up!

Is it running dual cp3's or a single?

So are the nozzles on the injectors custom or are they stock 6.4l nozzles? I guess what I'm really asking is are the spray patterns the same, hit the same spots in the bowl, at the same angle for the two motors, etc.? If its proprietary info don't bother answering. Just curious.
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ok tom u have my attention i think i might be ready to build a cr stroke for something that thing looks wicked
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ok tom u have my attention i think i might be ready to build a cr stroke for something that thing looks wicked
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I've been eying 6.4's since I started havin issues with my truck, but I bet this would be cheaper than buyin another truck...
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So which front cover did they use? I see 2 different styles in those pics. Just curious for what reason it was changed.
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Tarm- I figured I had my wires crossed somewhere. So its higher boost from a smaller turbo. Thanks for clearing that up!

Is it running dual cp3's or a single?

So are the nozzles on the injectors custom or are they stock 6.4l nozzles? I guess what I'm really asking is are the spray patterns the same, hit the same spots in the bowl, at the same angle for the two motors, etc.? If its proprietary info don't bother answering. Just curious.
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So which front cover did they use? I see 2 different styles in those pics. Just curious for what reason it was changed.
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Thanks michael, I was about to say that. Changed front covers due to an oil galley that had to be drilled
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The guys over at the diesel place sure think this is the dumbest thing ever...
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Like Scotty said..... the other crowds are shaking in their boots..... Lets see, big cubes, better flowing heads, the power of a P-Pump with the control of EFI. I wonder how long till the rules outlaw this system to keep it "fair" to the Cummins boys who have had their secret little club for how long now...... Long Live the 7.3!
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WOW, that sounds really mean!
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God that sounds like mechanical precision...


So well timed and crisp. Wow does that make me want to tear my engine out of the truck again. Sounds nothing like a heui 7.3 to me. Actually sounds like a mechanical detroit to be honest.

So crisp..... so clean...


And keeping with the Heui is gonna hurt so much more when it starts making pulls on the dyno.
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One guy posted something stupid like we should add an EGR cooler to the mix since we are using Ford parts....... Just people getting their feelings hurt because they are scared of the unknown. I hope this setup dominates in the next few years and shuts up everyone.....
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Taking the multiple injection events out of the mix should really make the thing run, alot of the standalone CR stuff is going to that, and a CR sounds just like a nasty 12v with a ppump, crisp and hits hard, im excited to see this i think it should do well once the tuning is figured out. Gotta love common rail
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Taking the multiple injection events out of the mix should really make the thing run, alot of the standalone CR stuff is going to that, and a CR sounds just like a nasty 12v with a ppump, crisp and hits hard, im excited to see this i think it should do well once the tuning is figured out. Gotta love common rail

I honestly don't know what tuning needs figuring out...


Pop the same ole CP transducer that's always been in Scotty's engine in there and go make some pulls like always. Done. Same ole PCM we've been tuning for over a decade. Same tables, same everything. The PCM doesn't know it's running a CR injection system.

When John went to help tune on Sam's mechanical 7.3 it was just the same old thing as usual. CP transducer as always, and just a screwdriver instead of a keyboard. They went over 1000 on fuel pretty quickly with that one. Couple sessions IIRC.

The real variables IMO will be nozzle hole dia, rail/pump orifice sizing and that kind of thing.


I want to see CR injection moving mod class fuel quantities. It is more long-term than what this project is all about, but I personally want to see a 2000hp drag truck. A guy with a mech pump 7.3 could do that today if he was so inclined.
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I bet keeping the rail pressure stable will be a fun undertaking.....

Are the pumps they have on this setup still using both the volume and pressure delivery inputs from the computer?
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I bet keeping the rail pressure stable will be a fun undertaking.....

Are the pumps they have on this setup still using both the volume and pressure delivery inputs from the computer?


As far as I know the unmolested 7.3L PCM IPR output is driving the injection pressure regulators. They may have an interfacing box between the two for voltage/amperage matching, but I think the same old ICP table and IPR duty cycle tables are controlling things just like they easily control multiple hpop's on a heui truck.

As far as usage of pressure and volume regulators, I couldn't speculate much. Although I could certainly imagine a million ways to do each, I don't know what John's doing with them at present. But judging by the revving in the video, I'm not that interested, as whatever method he chose clearly works, lol.
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I honestly don't know what tuning needs figuring out...


Pop the same ole CP transducer that's always been in Scotty's engine in there and go make some pulls like always. Done. Same ole PCM we've been tuning for over a decade. Same tables, same everything. The PCM doesn't know it's running a CR injection system.

When John went to help tune on Sam's mechanical 7.3 it was just the same old thing as usual. CP transducer as always, and just a screwdriver instead of a keyboard. They went over 1000 on fuel pretty quickly with that one. Couple sessions IIRC.

The real variables IMO will be nozzle hole dia, rail/pump orifice sizing and that kind of thing.


I want to see CR injection moving mod class fuel quantities. It is more long-term than what this project is all about, but I personally want to see a 2000hp drag truck. A guy with a mech pump 7.3 could do that today if he was so inclined.
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As far as I know the unmolested 7.3L PCM IPR output is driving the injection pressure regulators. They may have an interfacing box between the two for voltage/amperage matching, but I think the same old ICP table and IPR duty cycle tables are controlling things just like they easily control multiple hpop's on a heui truck.

As far as usage of pressure and volume regulators, I couldn't speculate much. Although I could certainly imagine a million ways to do each, I don't know what John's doing with them at present. But judging by the revving in the video, I'm not that interested, as whatever method he chose clearly works, lol.
As far as i know you HAVE to run both the PCV (pressure control valve) and VCV (volume control valve) to make the pump work correctly, but as i understand in some reading i did awhile back the VCV controls low pressure and the VCV controls high pressure, but effectively they control both pressure and volume. The reading i found was thru international not ford ill see if i can dig up the info on it.

Controling it might be an issue, but i dont think its a huge deal because on some data logs i have done watching both, the vcv seams to flat line at about half, while the pressure valve will max out at around 99 percent so really i think you could set the VCV at a fixed rate, and make the PCV do most of the work and it should be fine, with a set up like scotties truck, maintaining rail pressure at WOT is all that matters so making things smooth and making the rail pressure stay at 5000 psi at idle wont be as important as a DD or a truck running multiple injection events. (injector rattle)
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As far as i know you HAVE to run both the PCV (pressure control valve) and VCV (volume control valve) to make the pump work correctly, but as i understand in some reading i did awhile back the VCV controls low pressure and the VCV controls high pressure, but effectively they control both pressure and volume. The reading i found was thru international not ford ill see if i can dig up the info on it.

Controling it might be an issue, but i dont think its a huge deal because on some data logs i have done watching both, the vcv seams to flat line at about half, while the pressure valve will max out at around 99 percent so really i think you could set the VCV at a fixed rate, and make the PCV do most of the work and it should be fine, with a set up like scotties truck, maintaining rail pressure at WOT is all that matters so making things smooth and making the rail pressure stay at 5000 psi at idle wont be as important as a DD or a truck running multiple injection events. (injector rattle)
that is (was) correct, but we worked around the VCV, as in there isn't one any longer...

and the PCV "tuning" was a day's work in hardware design, and a couple of days on the flowbench to gather data, from which to build some tuning tables.
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that is (was) correct, but we worked around the VCV, as in there isn't one any longer...

and the PCV "tuning" was a day's work in hardware design, and a couple of days on the flowbench to gather data, from which to build some tuning tables.

Must be nice to just make any components and write any software you need, lol.


Btw, you're killing me with that video. G'damn it sounds mechanically timed. Cylinders firing with deadly precision. Never heard a non-mech 7.3 with that level of precision, and most of those are running camshafts and compression ratios that soften them up so much you can't enjoy it like that.
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Looks like i need to open a new savings account and put some in there every check for this, unless someone wants to donate some $$$$$$ to me and use it as a write off, JUST SAYIN.
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that is (was) correct, but we worked around the VCV, as in there isn't one any longer...

and the PCV "tuning" was a day's work in hardware design, and a couple of days on the flowbench to gather data, from which to build some tuning tables.
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The name makes perfect sense...

Can't wait to see what this thing will do! Wanna see it tear up the tracks, both dirt and asphalt!
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that is (was) correct, but we worked around the VCV, as in there isn't one any longer...

and the PCV "tuning" was a day's work in hardware design, and a couple of days on the flowbench to gather data, from which to build some tuning tables.
So im assuming its just a straight flow now, and it works like a duramax pump where the PCV is regulating return fuel?

Very cool you guys got around it, i always figured you would make it work off of a stock PCM and stuff from a 7.3 just makes sense to me to do it that way.

So are you guys going to maximize atomization and push past 26k rail pressure to 30+? makes sense if the rails lines and injectors can handle it
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So im assuming its just a straight flow now, and it works like a duramax pump where the PCV is regulating return fuel?

Very cool you guys got around it, i always figured you would make it work off of a stock PCM and stuff from a 7.3 just makes sense to me to do it that way.

So are you guys going to maximize atomization and push past 26k rail pressure to 30+? makes sense if the rails lines and injectors can handle it

I'd rather see some big angry nozzle holes...
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I've been eying 6.4's since I started havin issues with my truck, but I bet this would be cheaper than buyin another truck...
tom u would more than likely whoop my @$$ on the track with something like that so go big and beat joe for me too
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tom u would more than likely whoop my @$$ on the track with something like that so go big and beat joe for me too
I think Joe might be outa reach of my means for a year or two lol.

I just wanna be within 10' of him right now.
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I just wanna be within 10' of him right now.
well with me outta the picture u can be but i hear adam is pulling this year. He beat 4 of bean's trucks week before last and one had a new standalone ecu (mega cab)
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Think the mega cab is a basically stock truck, not to rain on the parade or anything lol.

And you'll be pullin before summer is out.

You don't build an 800HP CR, run it one year, then park it lol.
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And you'll be pullin before summer is out.

You don't build an 800HP CR, run it one year, then park it lol.
what are u talking about i ran it for a lil over a year
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You can put yours back on the trailer.
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So are the other diesel forums going to be filled with build threads featuring 7.3 conversions in the near future?

Who wants to stuff a 7.3CR into say a 2005 Dodge 2500 and go lay waste to the dragstrip?

Then maybe have another in a 2500 Chebbie and they can be like the two TS trucks used to be in quick diesel.

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Then maybe have another in a 2500 Chebbie and they can be like the two TS trucks used to be in quick diesel.


I'll do you one better. I've got a '95ish Dodge 1500 reg cab short bed 2wd sitting here waiting for something.

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I'll do you one better. I've got a '95ish Dodge 1500 reg cab short bed 2wd sitting here waiting for something.

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OH dear God.....

Remove a 12v and replace it with a 7.3......



Can you actually get smitten down by God for doing that? Wouldn't surprise me.


But.... it would be hilarious to do.
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1500 I do have a '94 2500 too though.

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1500 I do have a '94 2500 too though.

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I was thinking about your other truck. 1500 wouldn't do it. To get the full effect you have to REMOVE a cummins and replace it with the 7.3.

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I'm not above doing that.

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Remove a 12v and replace it with a 7.3......



Can you actually get smitten down by God for doing that? Wouldn't surprise me.


But.... it would be hilarious to do.
I would be more worried about the swift and painful punishment from the cummins purists than the wrath of god!
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What punishment? They couldn't catch you...


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I foresee some new websites being formed.

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I think "Unduramax.com" sounds better but that's just me.

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I like! guess i need to start putting my 7.3 long block back together!
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Unduramaxed.com it is! Shall I reserve the domin name?

So what's the e.t.a on completion of ironing out the little things so we can see what this thing will do?
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wouldnt we just change the name of the powerstroke to powermax
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Thier already is one of them. Ford truck with a duramax motor in it
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looks like i can finally put my motor together lol ill put it in my monster i could be a test truck jus sayins all
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yea but i was thinkin since it doesnt sound like a stroke why still call it a stroke
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yea but i was thinkin since it doesnt sound like a stroke why still call it a stroke
The new 6.7PSD doesnt sound like a stroke either but it is. Just sayin
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yea but i was thinkin since it doesnt sound like a stroke why still call it a stroke
Using a late model powerstroke injection system on an earlier powerstroke still leaves you with a powerstroke.

A hybrid powerstroke maybe. But definitely still powerstroke.


Otherwise we'd have to come up with a new name for 5.9's that swapped from a VP to a P-7100.
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The new 6.7PSD doesnt sound like a stroke either but it is. Just sayin
doesnt even sound like a diesel really
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Using a late model powerstroke injection system on an earlier powerstroke still leaves you with a powerstroke.

A hybrid powerstroke maybe. But definitely still powerstroke.


Otherwise we'd have to come up with a new name for 5.9's that swapped from a VP to a P-7100.
good point
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I like the idea of the "Hybrid Powerstroke" you take the strengths of two engines and combine them into one and you just created one bad ass/slightly scary beast!
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This may be a little bit of a silly question, but is their any speculation as to the kind of power this motor will produce?
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Who wants to stuff a 7.3CR into say a 2005 Dodge 2500 and go lay waste to the dragstrip?


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OH dear God.....

Remove a 12v and replace it with a 7.3......



Can you actually get smitten down by God for doing that? Wouldn't surprise me.


But.... it would be hilarious to do.


I like these ideas...
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Ok, I know its just a joke, but I have to ask. Other than poking fun at dodge guys, why on earth would you want to put a 7.3l in a dodge truck!??! Their engine is the only thing remotely decent on them!! That would be making fun of the 7.3 to stick it in there! I would actually feel sorry for the motor!
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Ok, I know its just a joke, but I have to ask. Other than poking fun at dodge guys, why on earth would you want to put a 7.3l in a dodge truck!??! Their engine is the only thing remotely decent on them!! That would be making fun of the 7.3 to stick it in there! I would actually feel sorry for the motor!
the only year it would hold up in would be a 3rd gen
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i really want to see this offered as kit or something. Im slowly building my truck to the plus 550 mark and im just waiting to see how long it will hold up as a dd and race truck (sumwhat race truck compared to others on here). But as soon as she does let go, if she does, I would love to do a twin turbo common rail 7.3l. As i was planning on doing a twin set up common rail or not
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Swamps has to finish all the tuning first. this project is over 2 years old, so theres no reason to rush things. Once it's running good and doing everything Jon ask's it to do, it'll housed in my race truck. I doubt much daily driving will be done, but it will be ran on the street. It will however, be tested heavily on the drag strip. Were going to go as fast as we possibly can, I don't think were going to be dissapointed
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this is and is goin to be bad azz

cant wait to see how it works in a truck



now i need to win the lotto,to get in on this
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Swamps has to finish all the tuning first. this project is over 2 years old, so theres no reason to rush things. Once it's running good and doing everything Jon ask's it to do, it'll housed in my race truck. I doubt much daily driving will be done, but it will be ran on the street. It will however, be tested heavily on the drag strip. Were going to go as fast as we possibly can, I don't think were going to be dissapointed
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This may be a little bit of a silly question, but is their any speculation as to the kind of power this motor will produce?
400hp easy. Heck, the 2009 6.4l made 350hp & 650 ft-lb stock(Answers.com - How much horsepower does a 2009 powerstroke have), and that's with less displacement and a lot of emissions crap strangeling it. And this project uses the 6.4l injectors, fuel rails, and HPFPs. The 6.7 makes 400hp from the factory now.
I would imagine 600-70hp and still have street manners so smooth that grandma could drive it. On a dedicated pulling truck? 1000 wouldn't be too far out of line with supporting air flow.
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400hp easy. Heck, the 2009 6.4l made 350hp & 650 ft-lb stock(Answers.com - How much horsepower does a 2009 powerstroke have), and that's with less displacement and a lot of emissions crap strangeling it. And this project uses the 6.4l injectors, fuel rails, and HPFPs. The 6.7 makes 400hp from the factory now.
I would imagine 600-70hp and still have street manners so smooth that grandma could drive it. On a dedicated pulling truck? 1000 wouldn't be too far out of line with supporting air flow.

I imagine that ultimately, with sufficient testing of nozzles, pumps, rails and all else 1000 would be the upper end of the streetable range, and all out would be significantly higher.
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I imagine that ultimately, with sufficient testing of nozzles, pumps, rails and all else 1000 would be the upper end of the streetable range, and all out would be significantly higher.


Blowing the doors off a lexus coupe first thing in the morning with 10 yards of mulch in tow would make my day!
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Blowing the doors off a lexus coupe first thing in the morning with 10 yards of mulch in tow would make my day!
Lol with reasonable smoke!

food for though SHone is at The DPC challenge right now and just laid down over 900 on fuel only in a 6.4 that from the best i can tell is a completly streetable setup

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Lol with reasonable smoke!

food for though SHone is at The DPC challenge right now and just laid down over 900 on fuel only in a 6.4 that from the best i can tell is a completly streetable setup

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Thank you for that post. I knew Shone had just recently got on the rollers but I hadn't heard anything about his numbers.
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Every time I check this thread I get pictures of HRT's motor with this injection system hooked to the sled...... I need to try and rearrange some funds.
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so uh... i daily drive my truck a lot and would be a great tester for this thing it was worth a try right?
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Lol with reasonable smoke!

food for though SHone is at The DPC challenge right now and just laid down over 900 on fuel only in a 6.4 that from the best i can tell is a completly streetable setup

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Wow, I didn't realize that was fuel only!

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Every time I check this thread I get pictures of HRT's motor with this injection system hooked to the sled...... I need to try and rearrange some funds.
O just do it!
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I just thought about something... Where's Mike D. at??? He hasn't been on in a while from I've seen... Hasn't even commented on the DPC thread
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Hopefully we will se 7.3 CR in DPC within 2 years
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Would that not be BA?
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Talk someone into making some billet four valve heads for the dinosaur to go with all the cr bling.

I hope it does well for all involved, lot of time and money invested. Now it is getting hyped by all of us droolers and tire kickers.
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Talk someone into making some billet four valve heads for the dinosaur to go with all the cr bling.

I hope it does well for all involved, lot of time and money invested. Now it is getting hyped by all of us droolers and tire kickers.

Ben Miller doesn't have 4v heads. The fuel is the requirement we haven't yet met with the Heui. The mech 7.3's don't have power issues of any kind.
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Ben Miller doesn't have 4v heads. The fuel is the requirement we haven't yet met with the Heui. The mech 7.3's don't have power issues of any kind.
Its actually fuel per time correct?

What is the max rpm they have been spinning with the 6.4 so far?
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Good point, but what could it hurt to have a head designed for the cr injector with an extra two valves.....I mean you have already re-engineered the whole thing almost.
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I just thought about something... Where's Mike D. at??? He hasn't been on in a while from I've seen... Hasn't even commented on the DPC thread
He is at the DPC crewing for shone
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well with me outta the picture u can be but i hear adam is pulling this year. He beat 4 of bean's trucks week before last and one had a new standalone ecu (mega cab)
I know this is a little late but really would like to clarifty that.

Adams truck runs good dont get me wrong but he beat my completly STOCK mega cab (other then the stand alone) by 12' and Steve came within 4' when he broke a u-joint and would have easily beat him if the ujoint didnt break. The only other truck we had there was Lukes and it is an OBS with Stage2's and a stock turbo and he broke the drive shaft as soon as he tried to move the sled, which was funny. You are comparing a Twin Turbo twin cp3 truck to a stock cr and a 2.6 class 7.3.

Adams truck has plenty of power, I think it could be setup better to hook though and be a much better puller. He was leaving alot on the track traction wise.

Carry on. 7.3 CR is cool.
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Good point, but what could it hurt to have a head designed for the cr injector with an extra two valves.....I mean you have already re-engineered the whole thing almost.
Would be great to have a 4v head just to have the injector centered and on axis with the cylinder so a symmetrical nozzle could be used if for no other reason.
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Precisely, besides anyone with the money to do the cr swap, what is another $4-5K for heads.
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already working on it but not billet
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for the dinosaur? Don't need to be billet, just thought it cheaper for a few one off's. I would not kick cast out of bed for eating crackers!
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for the 7.3 psd? yes
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who and how much?
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when i get it all figured out and test them i will look at marketing them... will be made to accept 6.4 injectors
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You got as long as it takes me to build a bottom end and find a truck......like ten years sound good?

j/k good luck with it.
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Re: Common Rail 7.3

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when i get it all figured out and test them i will look at marketing them... will be made to accept 6.4 injectors
That sounds awesome. How much longer before its running and videos are up.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:53 AM
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Re: Common Rail 7.3

yeah, it might take a little bit due to funds, but im pretty good about making NO money get me stuff somehow. my intent is to have the motor running next spring and in a truck by DPC to MAYBE compete. my truck will utilize duramax injectors and be able to use a bosch lbz ecm for efi live until i can factor in the 6.4 stuff and use swamps idm 8 with the 7.3 pcm. cheaper and easier funds wise for me to go the route im going at first. but the difference will be simple injector socket machining between the duramax and 6.4 injector setups with my design
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:56 AM
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Re: Common Rail 7.3

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yeah, it might take a little bit due to funds, but im pretty good about making NO money get me stuff somehow. my intent is to have the motor running next spring and in a truck by DPC to MAYBE compete. my truck will utilize duramax injectors and be able to use a bosch lbz ecm for efi live until i can factor in the 6.4 stuff and use swamps idm 8 with the 7.3 pcm. cheaper and easier funds wise for me to go the route im going at first. but the difference will be simple injector socket machining between the duramax and 6.4 injector setups with my design
I would not go with Dmax Injectors...

There are better ones out there.. then them..
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:59 AM
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Re: Common Rail 7.3

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yeah, it might take a little bit due to funds, but im pretty good about making NO money get me stuff somehow. my intent is to have the motor running next spring and in a truck by DPC to MAYBE compete. my truck will utilize duramax injectors and be able to use a bosch lbz ecm for efi live until i can factor in the 6.4 stuff and use swamps idm 8 with the 7.3 pcm. cheaper and easier funds wise for me to go the route im going at first. but the difference will be simple injector socket machining between the duramax and 6.4 injector setups with my design
Once setup for the dura/bosch stuff (cr), why revert to old school (modded heui) setup to run cr system?

I see why they are doing it for a 7.3cr conversion (using all the factory stuff less the modded IDM), but why revert to it from the bosch pcm and dura injectors?
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Old 05-05-2011, 02:00 AM
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I would not go with Dmax Injectors...

There are better ones out there.. then them..
i realize, however, for the reason of cost, its more effective for me to reach my goal of having it running before dpc next year and i can get duramax stuff for almost nothing. where-as buying swamps stuff like their