captainharley6.0
10-23-2010, 12:31 AM
Got some motor issues to sort out yet maybe gaskets and head but first out of the way i struck an awesome deal on 07 motor moderate milage everything ok had it tested can buy it for 2200$
Would like to have for this price but not sure if swap will work i think computers are different any info appreciated guys figured easier to swap than tear apart plus extra parts
Thanks
captainharley6.0
10-23-2010, 12:42 AM
Yeah if i can u it i will for sure probably replace some worn sensors etc before its put in if it will work! Tried searching with no luck
amarillo250
10-23-2010, 12:49 AM
if you dont take it let me know i need one
ImpactDiesel
10-23-2010, 12:58 AM
is it early build or late build 04?
matty169
10-23-2010, 02:29 AM
It will work fine, swap harness if yours is a early 04(or lengthen the icp wires), then use the 07 intake as it is easier to remove the turbo later. 07 injectors are better. May have to use 04 turbo and pedestal. Upper radiator hose is different because the 07 has a larger water pump and it is clocked differently. Thats about it. It is a easy swap. I put a 06 in a 03.
captainharley6.0
10-23-2010, 03:21 AM
if you dont take it let me know i need one
I will let you know if I don't take it, this guy actually got it from Montreal, gets his transmisions there used for 1000$ also
I will let ya know!
captainharley6.0
10-23-2010, 03:25 AM
so early or late 04 only difference is lengthing the wires, I just had my turbo cleaned and working smoooth. I am still trying t ofigure out if I have major motor issues or not, going to get tested next week I guess if I find someone that knows what there doing. just did my EGR delete and blowing a little bit of coolant out of bottle. but on note of buying motor for the price its seem like a great deal and maybe less complicated than fixing heads and gaskets pluus 07 is better motor. anything else I should do to motr while its out of truck?
do I need t ostud an 07 or issues resolved?
thanks for the info guys!!
turbodiesel_02
10-23-2010, 05:56 AM
id buy it in a heartbeat and stud it
amarillo250
10-23-2010, 10:19 AM
do you got another transmission for that price???? i'll take it and i'm serios about the motor if you dont want it i'll come and pick it up.
captainharley6.0
10-23-2010, 11:53 AM
do you got another transmission for that price???? i'll take it and i'm serios about the motor if you dont want it i'll come and pick it up.
the motor I am going to pick up, I will call and source out a used transmission for 1000$ next week how does that sound? I will pm you 1st of the week
amarillo250
10-23-2010, 11:57 AM
sounds great i'm looking forward to it and hope to come over soon to pick it up. News on the engine for me ??? LOL
captainharley6.0
10-24-2010, 03:54 PM
I'm going t obut the engine long as I look at it more closely. I will keep you posted on the tranny next week. where d oyou get your work done at or buy engine parts like heads? mine are probably cracked
douglash
10-27-2010, 01:33 PM
I was told an 07 wouldn't fit in a 04, too big and it's very costly. I would love to see someone do it.
halerazor
10-27-2010, 02:37 PM
I was told an 07 wouldn't fit in a 04, too big and it's very costly. I would love to see someone do it.
an 07 is a 6.0 it's the exact same engine as the 04 6.0, i think you are talking about the 08+ 6.4
matty169
10-28-2010, 12:39 AM
I was told an 07 wouldn't fit in a 04, too big and it's very costly. I would love to see someone do it.
Quit talking to idiots!!!!! :pointlaugh:
DieselStroke
10-28-2010, 12:17 PM
Here is a thread i found on the difference in engines, the engine swap will work as long as you have everything that comes with the engine, see below the differences in years.. is your current an 04.5 with the engine built in 2004 or is it the 2003 - 2004.25 with the 2003 engine? ... See below, you will be able to tell on the side of the passenger valve cover what year build your current engine is.
The 03 - 04.25 is different from the 04.25 - 07. The cutoff truck build date is around 9/23/03. While some parts are the same, there are some significant differences.
And this is why there are a lot of '04 model year trucks out there, that have '03 model year engines under the hood. For this reason, if you are the owner of an '04 model year, you are best off to have your VIN handy when shopping for parts at your local Ford store.
The 04.25 and newer engine has the following major differences, and several small ones, here is a basic list of things you can't mix and match between early and late builds:
~Relocated ICP sensor... Used to be in the HP cover by the IPR, now is in the front of the right VC. Screws into the wavy rail and the late build VC has a hole through which it protrudes.
there are at least 3 different engine wiring harnesses depending on year to allow for this, as well as the EGRTP which was only there for 04.25 - 05.
~Wavy High pressure oil rails instead of straight oil logs.
Yes. '04 to '07 model years use the wavy style oil rails.
~Different style HP pump
~Different internal HP plumbing ie: branch tube, standpipes, fittings ect
~Different (longer) egr cooler which won't connect to the 03 intake due to the length difference. I believe the exhaust up pipes are different too... I know they are for sure in 05
~Different Pedestal and Turbo with an additional turbine blade, and mounting configuration at the rear bolt. Pedestal reshaped to allow room for egr cooler coolant tube.
~Functional throttle plate in the intake to improve egr flow - early build engines had an empty housing - this was deleted all together in 05 and a different exhaust up pipe with an internal scoop was substituted.
~Injectors are different
'03 model year injectors are part number CN-5020. '04 to '07 model year injectors are CN-5019. Both appear similar with no visible differences.
~EGR valve is different
'03 to '04 models use part number CX-2056. '05 to '07 model years use part number CX-2020. Although both appear similar in appearance. They are NOT interchangeable. Don't ask me how I know this.
~Rocker arm retainers different
~Breather moved from inside the LH VC to on top of the left VC to allow room for wavy HP oil rails. This also changed the FICM mount.
~Different intake manifold to allow for the longer EGR cooler and the rear crossover was deleted.
The rear crossover style intake manifold is EXCLUSIVE to 2003 model year applications.
~MAF sensor deleted in 05
For early '05 model years only. Mid-year '05 saw the return of MAF sensors.
~Different operating software
~Relocated EBP sensor (exh back pressure) started around 05
Yes, and different part numbers too. The '05 and newer model years use an EBP sensor that is bigger in diameter and uses a course thread screw-in to the EBP tube. Unlike the '04 and older style, which use a fine thread, which IS by the way, interchangeable with a 7.3L EBP sensor (uses the same 4C3Z-9J460-A part number). It is also noteworthy to mention that although on '03 model year engines, this sensor serves no other purpose, other than just to "look good". This is thanks to the 06E17 Ford released reflash program to '03 model year owners, that DELETED EBP input into the PCM strategy altogether.
~Upper aluminum oil pan adapter center row of 10mm bolts deleted
~Later build and service replacement heads/blocks have 20mm head alignment dowels instead of 18mm - If you buy a long block you won't need to know that.