? on 1994 F-150

ok, so last week i was driving the truck and long story short it got hung up in 2nd gear. i tore the trans out and figured out that there was nothing left of the shift forks. now the options

where would i go about getting a new top cover with the shift forks on it. i have tried several junk yards with no luck yet.

also i have done some researching and was wondering if i could bolt the gas version of the zf 5 behind it with the clutch on that i have now. i just replaced the clutch about 12000 miles ago.

any help appreciated

I guess I dont quite understand your question. You have a diesel and you want to know if you can run a gasser tranny behind it ? If thats the question then no, you can't. The bolt holes and dowel pins are smaller on a gas tranny plus they have a different bolt pattern. That and I believe the gassers run a 12'' clutch as opposed to the diesels 13'' clutch. Don't quote me on that though.

no, the question is for a 94 f-150, sorry for the mix up. it was in the title, but anyhow, i got it fixed up with new syncros and shift forks, but the question still remains.

can i replace the m5OD with a gasser zf-5?

I guess I dont quite understand your question. You have a diesel and you want to know if you can run a gasser tranny behind it ? If thats the question then no, you can't. The bolt holes and dowel pins are smaller on a gas tranny plus they have a different bolt pattern. That and I believe the gassers run a 12'' clutch as opposed to the diesels 13'' clutch. Don't quote me on that though.



For a diesel dude you sure like to hang out here on the gasser threads. You must really want a good gasser, and I don't blame you. Is there a new V-10 hanging in your dreams??

For a diesel dude you sure like to hang out here on the gasser threads. You must really want a good gasser, and I don't blame you. Is there a new V-10 hanging in your dreams??

LOLLOLLOL. Boy you just kinda follow me around like a puppy on a string, don't ya ? LOLLOLLOL
And for what it's worth, I feel it necessary to swing through the gasser forum once in awhile. There are allot of lost souls wandering around aimlessly in here trying to figure out where there gassers will never stack up to a diesel. I just like to let them know why. Take you for example.;)

There is certianaly no v-10 in my dreams, but on the the same note I havent been dreaming about that new 6.7 either. :eek:

You must live in eastern Montana, never heard of Crane. Must be part of North Dakota. No hills there, and for sure, no mountains. Out here in Idaho and Utah, us V-10's eat stock diesels for lunch up hills. I've done it for 2 years. Even 7.3's and 6 leakers with some poop, can't keep up with me up mountains. You can blow all the smoke you want, but in reality, I think you drive a Honda and eat ludafisk!!

I've lived all over the great state of Montana. The state thats just east of that little panhandle state....... you know, the one that was'nt good enough to be called montana. The only thing i've ever seen a v-10 eat is gas, oil, and connecting rods. I would assume after the lutefisk comment you must think i'm of nordic descent. I'm actually german. I will gladly debate you on the worthlessness of the v-10 any day but from here on out lets leave ethnicisity out of it.

so um back to the question at hand.......:poke:

Oh ya, I almost forgot. LOL
As long as both trannys came off of the same style motor then yes. Although the clutches wil probably be different.

dang i just put that clutch in about 10,000 miles ago, i figured that the tranny would bolt up, but i have heard i would also need a different transfer case. also i know that it would have to be off of a 300 straight 6 to work properly, i was trying to see if anyone else had done a swap like this and what they ran into. thanks though

I've lived all over the great state of Montana. The state thats just east of that little panhandle state....... you know, the one that was'nt good enough to be called montana. The only thing i've ever seen a v-10 eat is gas, oil, and connecting rods. I would assume after the lutefisk comment you must think i'm of nordic descent. I'm actually german. I will gladly debate you on the worthlessness of the v-10 any day but from here on out lets leave ethnicisity out of it.

OK, according to your sig, you drive nothing, not even a Ford diesel. I expect you really drive a late model Honda, with a leaky exhaust. I also expect that you lurk on this gasser thread just to punch buttons and that's about it. The real facts about the Ford V-10 were shown in the 2008 Truck Trend, where the Ford V-10 whipped all asses except for the Ford 6.4 during a trailer tow up an 11% grade, which will hardly ever happen. Other than that test, the 2008 Ford V-10, with a TorqueShift Tranny, whipped altogether or equaled all of the Truck Trend tests that included all diesel pickups and all gas pickups. So it eats 2 more gallons of gas vs the higher cost of diesel fuel. That $7000 extra cost for a diesel can buy alot of gas. So anyway, I'm done with you dude, as you can take your Honda and go to heXX, I mean Canada.

You must live in eastern Montana, never heard of Crane. Must be part of North Dakota. No hills there, and for sure, no mountains. Out here in Idaho and Utah, us V-10's eat stock diesels for lunch up hills. I've done it for 2 years. Even 7.3's and 6 leakers with some poop, can't keep up with me up mountains. You can blow all the smoke you want, but in reality, I think you drive a Honda and eat ludafisk!!

i live in utah and pull heavy as #### trailers i had a 06 kr v10 with 4:30 gr and it pulled pretty good but you cant compare it to a diesel. my stock 6.0 and 6.4 will out pull it no comparison. maybe older 7.3's and 5.9's are similar to your v10 but if you think you can pull as much weight on the same hills as fast as me in a "stock" 6.0 or 6.4 your dreamin. as i said the v10's for a gasser pull amazing but take any 02 and up stroker and pull against a v10 theres no comparison. your motortrend article is over my head never seen that in all the years of getting it but unless their doing something strange up their in idaho to the diesel your dreamin. unless in fact your talkin about semi's then i belive you and disregard the rest of my statement but other than that i stick firm if you loaded up 12k and i hooked up 18k and pull the sisters id blow by u like you were sitten on jacks. and its much much cheaper to pull with a diesel v10's gas mileage is obsurd ive got as bad as 4.6 mpg. took me 3 stops at a gas station to get from ogden to marysvale.

I'll say it again and again, if you are running a stock diesel engine, then a new V-10 will pull with you no problem except for the most extreme grades. Also, at the top of the hill, you better stop and let your turbo cool off or it will fry. While towing heavy, I have never gotten less than 8.5 mpg.

ok, about the tranny at hand.... pms are awesome

I'll say it again and again, if you are running a stock diesel engine, then a new V-10 will pull with you no problem except for the most extreme grades. Also, at the top of the hill, you better stop and let your turbo cool off or it will fry. While towing heavy, I have never gotten less than 8.5 mpg.

i normally would sit here and debate you till you relized you were wrong but i dont want to muck up this guys thread so this is my last post. i will say for what it is the v10 is a good motor and for the most part pretty reliable. it pulls well for what it is. but compared to a diesel theres no way in hell it will pull in the same catagory unless as i said earlier and older 7.3 or 5.9 then yes. one last question what do you consider a "heavy load"?

as for the turbo frying since your talkin stock i have never ever nowhere ever heard of a 6.4 or 6.0 fryin a turbo stock.

OK, according to your sig, you drive nothing, not even a Ford diesel. I expect you really drive a late model Honda, with a leaky exhaust. I also expect that you lurk on this gasser thread just to punch buttons and that's about it. The real facts about the Ford V-10 were shown in the 2008 Truck Trend, where the Ford V-10 whipped all asses except for the Ford 6.4 during a trailer tow up an 11% grade, which will hardly ever happen. Other than that test, the 2008 Ford V-10, with a TorqueShift Tranny, whipped altogether or equaled all of the Truck Trend tests that included all diesel pickups and all gas pickups. So it eats 2 more gallons of gas vs the higher cost of diesel fuel. That $7000 extra cost for a diesel can buy alot of gas. So anyway, I'm done with you dude, as you can take your Honda and go to heXX, I mean Canada.
Ok. So my theory on people from Idaho is true, you are all stupid. Apparently you can't read. Refer to the bottom of my posts if you cant seem to figure out what I drive, and where in the hell do you keep coming up with honda. Generally we montanan's reserve gay ass cars for fags or tree huggers, wich Idaho is full of. So wich one are you ? Before you reply to this post, PLEASE remove your head from your ass. Why don't you take your truck trend magazine and stick it. I deal with facts, not what someone told me or what some bias magazine reporter decided to tell you what is true. I will tell you this. Where I work we run a fleet of eight v-10's ranging from 04-09. I bet my boss a weeks wages that my 96 powerstroke would outpull anyone of the fleet pickups pulling a trailer that grossed 25,000. We stayed neck and neck for the most part on the flats at times he would even pull ahead of me, that is until we got to the hills and at that point I would walk rite by him. Just like I told him I would. So unlike you I have actually tested this, I did'nt read it in a magazine.

Apparently you two cant seem to comprehend the following...

A: This ISNT smack talk.

B: This isnt a thread about v10's vs diesels.

C: This isnt either one of you twos thread.

Its belongs to superdutyfarmer. He asked REPEATEDLY to stick to his question about his trans. So either go start your own thread or help the man with his questions.

Id answer your questions superdutyfarmer but I dont know the answer myself. But I would be more than happy to delete the ramblings out of your thread if you would like for me too.

Crowz-

You are absolutely right, this thread really chased a rabbit. Very sorry to all.

Pap

my apologies to superduty farmer no disrespect intended. i wish i could answere the question at hand. good luck i wont trash your thread anymore. :ford:

Ya, sorry there superdutyfarmer. I was trying to help though, but I also feel a need to defend myself when someone's trying to attack me.
As far as your transfer case goes I really don't know. Your best bet is to crawl under the truck and see if the flanges and bolt holes are similar. I would be willing to bet if they match up externaly then the input/output shafts on the tranny/transfer case will match up too.

well, i am asking these questions because, i don't have a zf5 to look at and i am not going to buy something that i know will not work, thats for sure. i was hoping someone on here would have some answers thanks though

I guess I dont quite understand your question. You have a diesel and you want to know if you can run a gasser tranny behind it ? If thats the question then no, you can't. The bolt holes and dowel pins are smaller on a gas tranny plus they have a different bolt pattern. That and I believe the gassers run a 12'' clutch as opposed to the diesels 13'' clutch. Don't quote me on that though.

Both gas and diesel trucks use 12" clutches from the factory, the 13" clutch is a aftermarket upgrade when you get rid of the stock dual mass fly wheel which only applys to the diesels.

But both gas zf5 and m5od uses a internal slave cylender, only the diesel versions have the external slave cylender. But to answer your question. If you want to put a gas zf5 where your m50d was, your answer is yes. It bolts up.

Both gas and diesel trucks use 12" clutches from the factory, the 13" clutch is a aftermarket upgrade when you get rid of the stock dual mass fly wheel which only applys to the diesels.

But both gas zf5 and m5od uses a internal slave cylender, only the diesel versions have the external slave cylender. But to answer your question. If you want to put a gas zf5 where your m50d was, your answer is yes. It bolts up.

LOLLOL
I'm sure glad I said don't quote me on that. Thanks for the clarification CNDiesel

thanks cndiesel, i think i am gonna keep my eyes open if everything is gonna bolt up. so the transfer case i have in the 150 will still work as well as the driveshafts. that was the main concern. thanks again