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Gitmo prisoners now enjoying Bermuda! WTF!

whitjo
06-15-2009, 04:47 PM
In case you ignorant liberals are still worred about the Gitmo terrorists, they are alive and well thanks to YOUR self-proclaimed messiah Hussein Obama!
Check this $hit out!

"The four men in short-sleeve shirts looked like ordinary tourists, enjoying a Sunday lunch and butter pecan ice cream afterward as they observed the sparkling waters surrounding this Atlantic resort island.

But they are Uighurs, Muslims from the vast stretches of western China, an arid and rugged land that is a far cry from Bermuda's sandy beaches and quaint narrow streets lined with pastel Victorian-era buildings.

They once were terrorism suspects, but even after U.S. authorities determined the men weren't a threat to the United States, they were kept at the Guantanamo prison for years because no nation would take them _ until a few days ago, when Bermuda agreed to let them in as refugees.

"When we didn't have any country to accept us, when everybody was afraid of us ... Bermuda had the courage and was brave enough to accept us," said Abdulla Abdulgadir, who at 30 is the youngest of the four men who relished their first weekend of freedom in seven years.

Abdulgadir eagerly embraced his new island home. "We are not moving anywhere," he said.

He and his companions have traded drab prison jumpsuits for comfortable cotton pants and knit shirts, and razor wire-encircled jail compounds for beach cottages. They hope to quickly find jobs in Bermuda _ one of the world's wealthiest places because of its financial and insurance sector _ and eventually start families.

The four Uighurs (pronounced WEE'-gurs) (LOL close to our Prez!) also have immediate priorities, such as learning to drive, scuba dive and bowl, said Glenn Brangman, a former military official who is helping reintroduce them to the world outside prison.

"I told them one step at a time," Brangman said. "They're beginning to live all over again."

Stroker67
06-15-2009, 04:59 PM
Wonder what the Liberals will have to say when those "refugees" decide to pull a terrorist attack?

444-4D
06-15-2009, 05:49 PM
If they aren't terrorists I'm happy for them. Did you also see the part where they said they would rather be in Guantanamo prison than China?

whitjo
06-15-2009, 06:40 PM
If they aren't terrorists I'm happy for them. Did you also see the part where they said they would rather be in Guantanamo prison than China?

I saw that. What does that tell you? They probably got themselves arrested purposely, knowing that life would be better for them.
I say take 'em back where they found 'em and let them go THERE. Then give ME a permanent vacation in Bermuda!

CSIPSD
06-15-2009, 09:39 PM
In case you ignorant liberals are still worred about the Gitmo terrorists, they are alive and well thanks to YOUR self-proclaimed messiah Hussein Obama!
Check this out!

"The four men in short-sleeve shirts looked like ordinary tourists, enjoying a Sunday lunch and butter pecan ice cream afterward as they observed the sparkling waters surrounding this Atlantic resort island.

But they are Uighurs, Muslims from the vast stretches of western China, an arid and rugged land that is a far cry from Bermuda's sandy beaches and quaint narrow streets lined with pastel Victorian-era buildings.

They once were terrorism suspects, but even after U.S. authorities determined the men weren't a threat to the United States, they were kept at the Guantanamo prison for years because no nation would take them _ until a few days ago, when Bermuda agreed to let them in as refugees.

"When we didn't have any country to accept us, when everybody was afraid of us ... Bermuda had the courage and was brave enough to accept us," said Abdulla Abdulgadir, who at 30 is the youngest of the four men who relished their first weekend of freedom in seven years.

Abdulgadir eagerly embraced his new island home. "We are not moving anywhere," he said.

He and his companions have traded drab prison jumpsuits for comfortable cotton pants and knit shirts, and razor wire-encircled jail compounds for beach cottages. They hope to quickly find jobs in Bermuda _ one of the world's wealthiest places because of its financial and insurance sector _ and eventually start families.

The four Uighurs (pronounced WEE'-gurs) (LOL close to our Prez!) also have immediate priorities, such as learning to drive, scuba dive and bowl, said Glenn Brangman, a former military official who is helping reintroduce them to the world outside prison.

"I told them one step at a time," Brangman said. "They're beginning to live all over again."

Wonder what the Liberals will have to say when those "refugees" decide to pull a terrorist attack?

I saw that. What does that tell you? They probably got themselves arrested purposely, knowing that life would be better for them.
I say take 'em back where they found 'em and let them go THERE. Then give ME a permanent vacation in Bermuda!

So do you hate him because he is a Muslim? Or you just hate them because you hate them? If after 4 years behind bars you are still not a terrorist, I doubt your going to be come one when they release you.

Do you hate Obama because he is Black? Do you hate him because he is a (what you think) Muslim?

Don't like them or hate them for what they have done or want to do, don't hate them because what you think they might have thought about or might someday think about.

Hate Obama for what he is doing to the country, not call him names because of what you think he is...

You guys drive me nuts with the hate talk. Change the Muslim part to Jew's... Change the US prision camp to German prision camp. Change the way you feel at all?

I don't like terriorests... and I damn sure don't like Obama, but I have specific reasons for not liking them.

RampRat
06-15-2009, 11:24 PM
So do you hate him because he is a Muslim? Or you just hate them because you hate them? If after 4 years behind bars you are still not a terrorist, I doubt your going to be come one when they release you.

Do you hate Obama because he is Black? Do you hate him because he is a (what you think) Muslim?

Don't like them or hate them for what they have done or want to do, don't hate them because what you think they might have thought about or might someday think about.

Hate Obama for what he is doing to the country, not call him names because of what you think he is...

You guys drive me nuts with the hate talk. Change the Muslim part to Jew's... Change the US prision camp to German prision camp. Change the way you feel at all?

I don't like terriorests... and I damn sure don't like Obama, but I have specific reasons for not liking them.

Spoken like a true obama kool aid drinker........:poke::poke::poke:

These pooor terrorists need love and nurturing, not to mention obama "forgot" to tell England what he was doing & now they are really pissed at him (us)

whitjo
06-15-2009, 11:56 PM
So do you hate him because he is a Muslim? Or you just hate them because you hate them? If after 4 years behind bars you are still not a terrorist, I doubt your going to be come one when they release you.

Do you hate Obama because he is Black? Do you hate him because he is a (what you think) Muslim?

Don't like them or hate them for what they have done or want to do, don't hate them because what you think they might have thought about or might someday think about.

Hate Obama for what he is doing to the country, not call him names because of what you think he is...

You guys drive me nuts with the hate talk. Change the Muslim part to Jew's... Change the US prision camp to German prision camp. Change the way you feel at all?

I don't like terriorests... and I damn sure don't like Obama, but I have specific reasons for not liking them.


FYI I didn't write that article. It's simply a quote from a news wire service. What I don't like is that my and YOUR tax dollars are being pi$$ed away at breakneck speed in the name of political correctness. You cannot befriend ANYONE whose sole intent is to kill YOU.

Change it around if YOU will. Why do they hate US? Because we are white? Because we are Americans? Because, because, because???? If these men are not terrorists, good, take them HOME! Don't spend my hard earned money to give them a life of luxury.

I just saw it as a bit humorous the way the word was pronounced. I don't hate anyone for what they cannot help being. And yes I do hate what Obama stands for(what it REALLY is) and what he is doing to our nation.

RampRat
06-16-2009, 12:46 AM
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Stroker67
06-16-2009, 01:29 AM
So do you hate him because he is a Muslim? Or you just hate them because you hate them? If after 4 years behind bars you are still not a terrorist, I doubt your going to be come one when they release you.

Do you hate Obama because he is Black? Do you hate him because he is a (what you think) Muslim?

Don't like them or hate them for what they have done or want to do, don't hate them because what you think they might have thought about or might someday think about.

Hate Obama for what he is doing to the country, not call him names because of what you think he is...

You guys drive me nuts with the hate talk. Change the Muslim part to Jew's... Change the US prision camp to German prision camp. Change the way you feel at all?

I don't like terriorests... and I damn sure don't like Obama, but I have specific reasons for not liking them.

Come on CSI, your acting like all the other liberals who support terrorists and Obama. Hell your acting like Suns_PSD. I hate OBAMA and LIBERALS for their ##### ways and what theyre doing to MY beloved Country.

F250Hoss
06-16-2009, 01:54 AM
They should of just executed all these pieces of #### years ago and been done with it..

Pocket
06-16-2009, 02:06 AM
They should of just executed all these pieces of #### years ago and been done with it..

So why didn't they?

Oh wait, they weren't really terrorists. After years of investigations, the U.S. figured out that some of these guys weren't really that bad after all, and weren't really enemies of the United States. These people were in prison, and were never convicted of a single crime. They tried to release them years ago under President George Bush's administration, but no country would take them. Now finally they are released, and everyone bitches about it because Obama is in the White House. Wow, grow up children. If Bush released them, no one would be complaining right now. After all, we complain when an American is held in a foreign prison for no reason whatsoever. Why is it that we are allowed to hold prisoners with zero access to our judicial system, but we demand other countries not follow in our footsteps? Can anyone say.... hypocritical?

Fact: President Bush tried to get rid of these guys years ago. A country finally accepted them, and it so happened to be under Obama's administration. Suddenly everyone blames Obama. Yeah, makes total sense. LOL

Stroker67
06-16-2009, 02:10 AM
Pocket, you seem to hold Obama on a pretty high pedestal. It dont matter, most of those muslims hate us anyways, some just have more balls than the others and will try to attack us. why not prevent the problem before it has the chance to become a problem?

tycham
06-16-2009, 02:21 AM
Out of curiosity how many of you non liberals raised their right hand and pledged to serve. I know I have my three years of combat and I don't see a reason to kill anyone because of their religion or color, etc. Any act of terrorism should be punished, freedom of speach/thought should not. At least in my America

Pocket
06-16-2009, 02:25 AM
Pocket, you seem to hold Obama on a pretty high pedestal. It dont matter, most of those muslims hate us anyways, some just have more balls than the others and will try to attack us. why not prevent the problem before it has the chance to become a problem?

I wasn't holding Obama on a pedistal with my last post. Facts were that certain prisoners were to be released under Bush's administration. However, no country was willing to accept them, and no President in their right mind would ever release Gitmo prisoners to U.S. soil. Only after Obama made it to office, did Bermuda offer to accept those prisoners (already scheduled to be released by George Bush).

Once again, I'm just trying to bring to light some very important facts that have been intentionally left out of the story by a VERY biased media story.

True that Bush was not trying to shut down Gitmo, that's all on Obama. However, certain prisoners were already scheduled for release well before Obama took office. Those individuals now live in Bermuda.

The ones that we know for sure are terrorists, are still locked up. The only issue I have with that part of the story is that these terrorists are still alive. It's about time they go to court, be sentenced to death, then killed and buried with pigs so that they don't go to heaven.




So, do I really sound like a "left-wing liberal"? Or am I just trying to tell everyone the real story?

Pocket
06-16-2009, 02:27 AM
Out of curiosity how many of you non liberals raised their right hand and pledged to serve. I know I have my three years of combat and I don't see a reason to kill anyone because of their religion or color, etc. Any act of terrorism should be punished, freedom of speach/thought should not. At least in my America
Spot on.

00strokey7.3
06-16-2009, 02:38 AM
Out of curiosity how many of you non liberals raised their right hand and pledged to serve. I know I have my three years of combat and I don't see a reason to kill anyone because of their religion or color, etc. Any act of terrorism should be punished, freedom of speach/thought should not. At least in my America

I did, as well as MANY others on this site as well.

I am also going to take Pocket's side on this one. As I have mentioned many times before, I was a prison guard in Camp Bucca, Iraq. Many of the detainee's that were held there were innocent. When we first started detaining people in Iraq, they would detain everybody in that neighborhood, that way they were sure that they had detained the person at fault. So landed many innocent muslims into imprisonment. Remember that it was President Bush who signed the status of forces agreement with Iraq, part of that was releasing all detainees who had not had any type of crime or deemed not to be a threat to the Iraqi people and to coalition forces. Is it not wrong to be detained for something that you did not do, and had nothing to do with?

RampRat
06-16-2009, 02:53 AM
Out of curiosity how many of you non liberals raised their right hand and pledged to serve. I know I have my three years of combat and I don't see a reason to kill anyone because of their religion or color, etc. Any act of terrorism should be punished, freedom of speach/thought should not. At least in my America

I've spent more than 3 years deployed to hostile fire zones and yes I have pissed my pants in fear...........

I've had many long talks with Muslims about the Quran, been in Riyadh SA for the Hajj along with Ramadan and in other Muslim countries for them as well.

I've personally been told by a extremly high ranking Saudi that a converted American Muslim would be killed if he insisted on going to mosques off base as he was not a true Muslim.....

Seems that the followers of the Quran believe in killing Americans due to being Christian and that the Quran says to kill all non believers....

You can say and think what you want, but sooner or later you will pull your head out of the sand & understand the hatred these people have for all non Muslims and that they have declared a holly war against all non believers & they will not rest till all non believers are dead.

Thus kill all the professing and practicing Muslims and stop the holy war.....

RampRat
06-16-2009, 02:55 AM
I did, as well as MANY others on this site as well.

I am also going to take Pocket's side on this one. As I have mentioned many times before, I was a prison guard in Camp Bucca, Iraq. Many of the detainee's that were held there were innocent. When we first started detaining people in Iraq, they would detain everybody in that neighborhood, that way they were sure that they had detained the person at fault. So landed many innocent muslims into imprisonment. Remember that it was President Bush who signed the status of forces agreement with Iraq, part of that was releasing all detainees who had not had any type of crime or deemed not to be a threat to the Iraqi people and to coalition forces. Is it not wrong to be detained for something that you did not do, and had nothing to do with?

If these four guys were so innocent then why did they want to stay at Gitmo and why would there own country refuse to take them back......

What were/are they afraid of by going back to their own country.....

00strokey7.3
06-16-2009, 03:09 AM
If these four guys were so innocent then why did they want to stay at Gitmo and why would there own country refuse to take them back......

What were/are they afraid of by going back to their own country.....

I may be wrong, Im going off of memory here. But according to sharia law, if they had spoken and associated with the infidels at all, they could be persecuted for treason to islam. Islam is not just a religion it is a way of life for these wackjobs. I don't agree with the religion, but I respect it as a religion. Their own country could have refused to take them back for many different reasons, probably just didnt want to deal with them is my guess.

Pocket
06-16-2009, 03:20 AM
Like Strokey said, if returned they would have been persecuted, and probably put to death. Gitmo was their best option until another country offered amnesty.

RampRat
06-16-2009, 04:19 AM
I may be wrong, Im going off of memory here. But according to sharia law, if they had spoken and associated with the infidels at all, they could be persecuted for treason to islam. Islam is not just a religion it is a way of life for these wackjobs. I don't agree with the religion, but I respect it as a religion. Their own country could have refused to take them back for many different reasons, probably just didnt want to deal with them is my guess.

Hummmmm, the Religion of Peace hard at work eh............

whitjo
06-16-2009, 10:56 AM
Another significant point is that the Muslim fanatic extremists are cowards. What kind of religion would brainwash a person into believing that wrapping themselves in explosives, walking into a public place full of innocent men, women, and children, and then detonating it in hopes of killing as many as possible so that their reward is greater in their "afterlife", is a religion of love and peace.

The Japanese, in desperation, resulted to similar tactics in WWII when their defeat was inevitable. They brainwashed the pilots into believing that it was "honorable" to deliberately and purposely kill themselves in an attempt to kill the enemy.

No matter how bad Hussein Obama wants us all to just be friends and get along, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, again IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN! THEIR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO KILL US. WTF is so hard to understand about that? Oh wait, could it be that half of us have become brainwashed by the great self-proclaimed saviour that he can change all that? Not me!

These terrorists know that they cannot defeat us in any other way. So they SUCCEED in turning us against each other in the tide of public opinion. Not since the War between the States has this country been so polarized. The problem is now, IMHO, that there are those who are willing to stand for what is morally "right" and those who think it is all should just be "left" simply to accept that anything goes! I believe that most ALL Americans KNOW, or damn well should know, the difference!

8nout
06-16-2009, 01:19 PM
During my time in the sand box, our answer was simple. Two to the chest, One to the head. Problem solved. No free meals. No "obama" love. No vacation.:mad::mad::mad:

444-4D
06-16-2009, 02:49 PM
We have terrorists in custody that have admitted guilt and want to be executed and we won't do it.

Stroker67
06-16-2009, 02:53 PM
During my time in the sand box, our answer was simple. Two to the chest, One to the head. Problem solved. No free meals. No "obama" love. No vacation.:mad::mad::mad:

I like that way of thinking!, also like the sig!

Pocket
06-16-2009, 03:07 PM
Another significant point is that the Muslim fanatic extremists are cowards. What kind of religion would brainwash a person into believing that wrapping themselves in explosives, walking into a public place full of innocent men, women, and children, and then detonating it in hopes of killing as many as possible so that their reward is greater in their "afterlife", is a religion of love and peace.

The Japanese, in desperation, resulted to similar tactics in WWII when their defeat was inevitable. They brainwashed the pilots into believing that it was "honorable" to deliberately and purposely kill themselves in an attempt to kill the enemy.

No matter how bad Hussein Obama wants us all to just be friends and get along, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, again IT AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN! THEIR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO KILL US. WTF is so hard to understand about that? Oh wait, could it be that half of us have become brainwashed by the great self-proclaimed saviour that he can change all that? Not me!

These terrorists know that they cannot defeat us in any other way. So they SUCCEED in turning us against each other in the tide of public opinion. Not since the War between the States has this country been so polarized. The problem is now, IMHO, that there are those who are willing to stand for what is morally "right" and those who think it is all should just be "left" simply to accept that anything goes! I believe that most ALL Americans KNOW, or damn well should know, the difference!

True, we cannot negotiate or even hope to compromise with terrorists and extremist groups.

However, there is one important thing to keep in mind: these extremist groups are the minority of Islam.

Compare them to the Nazi's in Germany. Would you label all Germans as Nazi's? Of course not. A majority of Germans (even during the Nazi rule), did not agree with the Hitler and his thugs. Hitler and his Nazi's were a minority in Germany, who took power using deception. The same thing has happened with some muslim countries. You have a violent extremist group who is only reflective of a small portion of the overall population, but through deception they have gained power and control over the majority. And they hold that control with force.

Just look at the protests in Iran. People are angry with their extremist government. In response, the government is now trying to silence the protesters. These extremist governments are not following the will of their people.

A vast majority of muslims do want peace, and do want open relationships with the United States and other countries. Don't label all muslims as terrorists just because a few extremists have forced their way into power.

CSIPSD
06-16-2009, 03:33 PM
Spoken like a true obama kool aid drinker........:poke::poke::poke:

These pooor terrorists need love and nurturing, not to mention obama "forgot" to tell England what he was doing & now they are really pissed at him (us)


Mccain Voter here... I just dont beileve in punishing people when after 4 years of being held they could not come up with anything to keep them...

FYI I didn't write that article. It's simply a quote from a news wire service. What I don't like is that my and YOUR tax dollars are being pi$ away at breakneck speed in the name of political correctness. You cannot befriend ANYONE whose sole intent is to kill YOU.

Change it around if YOU will. Why do they hate US? Because we are white? Because we are Americans? Because, because, because???? If these men are not terrorists, good, take them HOME! Don't spend my hard earned money to give them a life of luxury.

I just saw it as a bit humorous the way the word was pronounced. I don't hate anyone for what they cannot help being. And yes I do hate what Obama stands for(what it REALLY is) and what he is doing to our nation.

I am much more concerned with the TRILLIONS OBAMA is pissing away buying up every privately owned industry he can, and the way he is pissing away non existent money into the economy then the 100k or so on 4 guys that should have never been bothered in the first place.

Come on CSI, your acting like all the other liberals who support terrorists and Obama. Hell your acting like Suns_PSD. I hate OBAMA and LIBERALS for their ##### ways and what theyre doing to MY beloved Country.

I am no Liberal... Far from it. But I do believe in the American way, the reasons this country was founded and the beliefs it was founded on... FYI... Its my country too. I want to cry when I think about how Obama has spent every opertunity my children will have in the last 6 months. There will be nothing left for them.

But these 4 or even everyone of the "bad guys" at gitmo are the very least of our worrys. Do I want them in my country... no... But if there country of origns will not take them back, then we have to find a place to put them. And a Bullet in the head is not right, that just lowers us to the Germans in WW2, or the Japanise in WW2.

They should of just executed all these pieces of #### years ago and been done with it..

Your right... Thats what the Germans did in WW2, worked out good for them too. And the Japs, they did the same thing to the chinese...

Hummmmm, the Religion of Peace hard at work eh............

LOL... There have been more wars fought in the name of Christ then any other in the history of the WORLD...

Stroker67
06-16-2009, 03:38 PM
CSI, i didnt mean that it wasnt your country so please dont take it that way, and yes it does piss me off that Obama is royally fuking this country up. Was it right for those terrorists to hijack planes and cause 9/11? or is it right for those POS's to execute our soldiers? i believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, so lets kill em all, let god sort em out

CSIPSD
06-16-2009, 03:54 PM
CSI, i didnt mean that it wasnt your country so please dont take it that way, and yes it does piss me off that Obama is royally fuking this country up. Was it right for those terrorists to hijack planes and cause 9/11? or is it right for those POS's to execute our soldiers? i believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, so lets kill em all, let god sort em out

That right there is part of the problem... 70% of the people over there dont give a rats ass about us and what we do at our home. They just want to live there lifes and do what ever the hell it is that they do...

20% are well educated and know whats going on in the world. They want to be us, like us, our standard of living and such...

and then there is the 10%... the ones that want to kill everyone that is not exactly like them.

People like them also say the same thing you did in Bold above... What percent are you in...:eek:

I dont take offence to anything. Its our country, and we all have the right to our own opinions (for now, maybe not when Obama is done...)

Stroker67
06-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Ok so i should clarify, what i mean by kill em all let god sort em out was all the insuregents, the enemy, not the innocent men and women and children.

CSIPSD
06-16-2009, 04:22 PM
Ok so i should clarify, what i mean by kill em all let god sort em out was all the insuregents, the enemy, not the innocent men and women and children.


Who are they... Are they these 4 guys that we took from another country's soil, brought them to another country's soil, kept them for 4 years with no charges, and then released them with a little cash in there pocket?

How do you tell who the enemy is? We dont want to wait until they attck us, but at the same time, we dont want to attck people who have no intention of doing anything. Like the 70% of the people you want to kill...

F250Hoss
06-16-2009, 04:25 PM
During my time in the sand box, our answer was simple. Two to the chest, One to the head. Problem solved. No free meals. No "obama" love. No vacation.:mad::mad::mad:

:whs:

whitjo
06-16-2009, 04:30 PM
True, we cannot negotiate or even hope to compromise with terrorists and extremist groups.

However, there is one important thing to keep in mind: these extremist groups are the minority of Islam.

Compare them to the Nazi's in Germany. Would you label all Germans as Nazi's? Of course not. A majority of Germans (even during the Nazi rule), did not agree with the Hitler and his thugs. Hitler and his Nazi's were a minority in Germany, who took power using deception. The same thing has happened with some muslim countries. You have a violent extremist group who is only reflective of a small portion of the overall population, but through deception they have gained power and control over the majority. And they hold that control with force.

Just look at the protests in Iran. People are angry with their extremist government. In response, the government is now trying to silence the protesters. These extremist governments are not following the will of their people.

A vast majority of muslims do want peace, and do want open relationships with the United States and other countries. Don't label all muslims as terrorists just because a few extremists have forced their way into power.


Curtis
Point taken. I actually agree with you on nearly all your posts because you do look objectively at the subject at hand. To clarify, I was referring to the extremists. As you say, the people who oppose them are powerless to enact the change they desire. Should they try, again as you say, they are usually "silenced" therefore scaring the rest into submission.

My point is that all the negotiations and diplomacy in the world is not going to sway them to our way of thinking and that they will continue plotting to kill us. What scares me is that they will pretend to go along with it only to gain an advantage. You might make friends with a snake but when you turn your back he will bite you in the ass! That's what he believes he is supposed to do!

I once helped a friend that had a saw mill. He had a mule that he used to snake out logs where the skidder couldn't get to. You could feed him him, pet him, work him, or whatever, but you better not get behind him when wasn't hooked to a log 'cause he was ALWAYS waiting for a chance to kick you!

Stroker67
06-16-2009, 05:38 PM
Who are they... Are they these 4 guys that we took from another country's soil, brought them to another country's soil, kept them for 4 years with no charges, and then released them with a little cash in there pocket?

How do you tell who the enemy is? We dont want to wait until they attck us, but at the same time, we dont want to attck people who have no intention of doing anything. Like the 70% of the people you want to kill...

Alright dude it appears that theres not making you happy so screw it. i dont give two sh*ts, there is collateral damage in any war, thats just wars nature. My cousins are over there fighting, and theyve told me stories, stories about blowing kids to hell because they dont know if they are packing a bomb or not, yea its sad but you know what, if it came down between me living or that kid blowing himself up and taking me and my squad with me, the kids gonna die plain and simple. Did all those innocent people on 9/11 deserve to die? hell no but they did anyways, so you know what, i have no issues with our armed forces killing people over there, whatever keeps them alive at the end of the day. You say your not liberal, but your talk screams of liberal ways...

CSIPSD
06-16-2009, 05:54 PM
Alright dude it appears that theres not making you happy so screw it. i dont give two sh*ts, there is collateral damage in any war, thats just wars nature. My cousins are over there fighting, and theyve told me stories, stories about blowing kids to hell because they dont know if they are packing a bomb or not, yea its sad but you know what, if it came down between me living or that kid blowing himself up and taking me and my squad with me, the kids gonna die plain and simple. Did all those innocent people on 9/11 deserve to die? hell no but they did anyways, so you know what, i have no issues with our armed forces killing people over there, whatever keeps them alive at the end of the day. You say your not liberal, but your talk screams of liberal ways...


Huh? Where did I say that... Our people over there have ROE that they live by... Some are good and some are not I agree, but our guys over there are doing a great job. No where have I ever said that they are not.

I am quite happy having a discussion about this, I am not looking for you to make me happy... Thats what my wife is for...:D

Pocket
06-16-2009, 10:45 PM
Curtis
Point taken. I actually agree with you on nearly all your posts because you do look objectively at the subject at hand. To clarify, I was referring to the extremists. As you say, the people who oppose them are powerless to enact the change they desire. Should they try, again as you say, they are usually "silenced" therefore scaring the rest into submission.

My point is that all the negotiations and diplomacy in the world is not going to sway them to our way of thinking and that they will continue plotting to kill us. What scares me is that they will pretend to go along with it only to gain an advantage. You might make friends with a snake but when you turn your back he will bite you in the ass! That's what he believes he is supposed to do!

I once helped a friend that had a saw mill. He had a mule that he used to snake out logs where the skidder couldn't get to. You could feed him him, pet him, work him, or whatever, but you better not get behind him when wasn't hooked to a log 'cause he was ALWAYS waiting for a chance to kick you!
I'm with you man. We can't trust the extremists, and we can't negotiate with them. I do feel bad for the people that have to live under the terrorists rule. Any action to speak up against them usually results in death.

kainers
06-17-2009, 12:59 AM
Uighurs in Bermuda - ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/popup?id=7842154&contentIndex=1&page=10&start=false)

00strokey7.3
06-17-2009, 01:54 AM
Uighurs in Bermuda - ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/popup?id=7842154&contentIndex=1&page=10&start=false)

I guess he didnt get the memo about the boycott on ABC news.

northshoredr
06-17-2009, 03:34 AM
hey pocket, youre our research specialist... how much $ is it costing the USA for bermuda to take these guys, and treat them to the life of luxury.

David N
06-17-2009, 03:36 AM
As far as the title of this thread, you and everyone else should get used to it. Its only going to get worse.

kainers
06-17-2009, 04:43 AM
I guess he didnt get the memo about the boycott on ABC news.

LMFAO are you talking about me?Sure in the #### hope not:eek:

razorscs
06-17-2009, 07:30 AM
Wow, I considered myself a pretty strong conservative Republican, both in beliefs and values, and hate the damn terrorists just as much as the rest of you, that's a reason I joined the Corps, but HOLY ####, are you guys that fuking white trash uneducated idiots that you can't accept that these guys might not actually be terrorists!! I mean holy #### its not like we paid for them to go to Bermuda and they are living off of our government, they weren't allowed back anywhere so BERMUDA (NOT THE US!!!) took them in to their country. What does this have to do with us paying for them to be set free. If one of you was arrested for murder and you were proved innocent, would you be ok with not being let out, umm I think not. This is nothing personal but holy crap some of you are ridiculous, taking it way to far, your logic is so much worse than the login libs use, the people you are making fun of. Way to but a smear on the republican party. And don't any of you even dare call me a bleeding heart lib or some of that bull cause that is so far from what I am.

whitjo
06-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Wow, I considered myself a pretty strong conservative Republican, both in beliefs and values, and hate the damn terrorists just as much as the rest of you, that's a reason I joined the Corps, but HOLY ####, are you guys that fuking white trash uneducated idiots that you can't accept that these guys might not actually be terrorists!! I mean holy #### its not like we paid for them to go to Bermuda and they are living off of our government, they weren't allowed back anywhere so BERMUDA (NOT THE US!!!) took them in to their country. What does this have to do with us paying for them to be set free. If one of you was arrested for murder and you were proved innocent, would you be ok with not being let out, umm I think not. This is nothing personal but holy crap some of you are ridiculous, taking it way to far, your logic is so much worse than the login libs use, the people you are making fun of. Way to but a smear on the republican party. And don't any of you even dare call me a bleeding heart lib or some of that bull cause that is so far from what I am.


The US will pay the cost:

"The premier of Bermuda, Ewart F. Brown, has called the former detainees "innocent men," and said the United States will pay the costs associated with their relocation. "We are confident this decision is the right one from a humanitarian perspective," Brown said of agreeing to let the men come to Bermuda."

BTW I didn't hear of any bleeding heart liberals begging to move them to their neighborhood here in the US! Wonder why?? Surely the Obamians would pay good(borrowed) money for it! This $hit of making friends with terrorists is gonna bite us in the ass, wait and see.

Pocket
06-17-2009, 02:34 PM
hey pocket, youre our research specialist... how much $ is it costing the USA for bermuda to take these guys, and treat them to the life of luxury.
Probably a lot of cash. No specific dollar amount has been released from the Justice Department, but this will give you something to think about....

The four Uighurs will reside in Bermuda under a guest worker permit. The Bermuda government has provided housing for the men. They will be eligible to work but do not have specific jobs lined up.

The U.S. would provide Bermuda with "small, routine reimbursements" to offset the cost of resettling the Uighurs, but the Justice Department would not say how much it will pay.

razorscs
06-17-2009, 05:40 PM
I don't care if it costs us some money to have them in Bermuda, we took them from their home which is fine with me, but what isn't is that they were held for years after with no where to go, they deserve a life outside of Gitmo, and how do you expect them to pay for it?

Stroker67
06-17-2009, 09:45 PM
I don't care if it costs us some money to have them in Bermuda, we took them from their home which is fine with me, but what isn't is that they were held for years after with no where to go, they deserve a life outside of Gitmo, and how do you expect them to pay for it?

This may be true, but what if, and yea i know its a big IF, but still what if they came back as terrorists against our country? or helped the terrorist plot against us? im just saying man.

kainers
06-17-2009, 10:02 PM
Did our didn't look what we did for Afganastan against the russians back in the day.That #### came back and bit us in the ass didn't it.Peoples lives change futures change and there is no way in predicting it.The way to live is in the current and plan for the future with all best possible means.

razorscs
06-18-2009, 06:00 AM
This may be true, but what if, and yea i know its a big IF, but still what if they came back as terrorists against our country? or helped the terrorist plot against us? im just saying man.

ya but thats the same argument to make against criminals that are let free in the states. And think about it, for the US government to declare them innocent after they were suspected terrorists means that they probably did a hell of an investigation.

444-4D
06-18-2009, 06:39 AM
I heard Glen Beck say they were going to open a restaurant on the beach. They will call it "The Water Board Cafe".

Stroker67
06-18-2009, 01:53 PM
ya but thats the same argument to make against criminals that are let free in the states. And think about it, for the US government to declare them innocent after they were suspected terrorists means that they probably did a hell of an investigation.

I agree with the letting criminals go in the US, but the sad thing is, most of those stupid fukers go right back to crime. As far as the govt. doing on hell of an investigation, maybe they did, maybe they didnt, we'll never know for sure. Yea it sucks they were locked up for so long but im glad they did, maybe the govt. stopped them from committing a terrorist attack. Im not disagreeing with you Razor, just stating what i think.