6.4 Pukers? It cant be.....

Thought this was a non issue?

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-4l-performance-parts-discussion/89943-anyone-find-reason-coolant-loss-yet.html

Cobb what is the word on yours? sucks man.

Thought this was a non issue?

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-4l-performance-parts-discussion/89943-anyone-find-reason-coolant-loss-yet.html

Cobb what is the word on yours? sucks man.

It wasnt an issue until the Spartan 275 v2 tune from what I can see

anyone see this coming?

even so..275 is a lot of HP to just have a bit of pukage.

ruh-ro!

Here we go:doh:























wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Are studs available yet?

Do the studs while the cab is off Mike.:poke:

i already have studs in mind, so whe i do the injection pump i can knock both out.

i already have studs in mind, so whe i do the injection pump i can knock both out.

:evil

I bet it will be easier to plumb the nitrous with the cab in the air too. LOL

True dat.

Seems its an issue for some but not others...I would not blame it 100% on the 275 tune personally....cause I have been running that tune for a good long while, beating it, towing, daily driving and no issues..yet....

studs are soon to be avilable!

and i would put money puking has to do with the tuning, Nobody with tunes that are out on the market has done any Cyl Pressure Tuning that has been spoking of.

With that said thier has been some real impressive numbers so far,

Travis

Seems its an issue for some but not others...I would not blame it 100% on the 275 tune personally....cause I have been running that tune for a good long while, beating it, towing, daily driving and no issues..yet....

i saw that someone mentioned 275 v2 ... is that the tune you have.

Yeah I have them all...V1 V2 and V3...V2 is by far the strongest...most raw tune.

Seems its an issue for some but not others...I would not blame it 100% on the 275 tune personally....cause I have been running that tune for a good long while, beating it, towing, daily driving and no issues..yet....

That sounds familiar, lol.

That sounds familiar, lol.

What? you beating it daily?:pointlaugh:

...V2 is by far the strongest...most raw tune.

maybe that tune has the most cylinder pressure. i would love to see someone do some CP testing....dave.......

Mostly it has better throttle response due to higher rail pressure in the lower RPMs and the trans tuning is different...

I actually think the V3 has more timing...just a hair than the V2 does if I am remembering my logs right.

What? you beating it daily?:pointlaugh:

Lol, well that too I guess.

What's next on your to-do list, Pahrump?

i get coolant drips on the driver side rear of the motor. drips on the driveline and my suspension parts. is this the area everyone else is seeing a leak. haven't looked real deeply into it, but it does worry me to see coolant on the underside of my truck. I have had a new radiator put in, so i know it is not this leaking. best bets? studs? caps? why do these trucks have such coolant issues!



:hehe:

OMG, that's priceless....

"Coolant Issues"... I mean, like, why can't the engineers like make a coolant system that can like hold full cylinder pressure???

When my additional 250+hp program lifts the F'ing heads off the block... I can't believe the coolant system has the audacity to spew coolant on the ground.

LOL


Maybe he should try some of that yellow GM style coolant, maybe that's the problem with his cooling system.

(slaps knee)

What's next on your to-do list, Pahrump?

Well if the heads stay attached...not much.

Got a beta unit from FASS on the way, it should help hold rail pressure a bit, and I have something working with MAtt for a couple more ponies maybe if this works out. And then theres the nitrous.

Other than that...honestly nothing, I want a 6.7L all new body style, etc....so I cant see spending tons of cash on this rig.

If I can run some high 12's with my 38s I will be happy, its a daily driver overweight pig that tows my bikes and race car to the tracks.

Just dump some stop-leak in there and go LOL

At what horse power does the d-max lose a head gasket? This maybe the limit of the 6.4 in stock trim. Not bad I would say, 500+hp with just tuning. Remember every engine will need studs at a certain point.

thier rods wad up into little balls around 550hp

Travis

thier rods wad up into little balls around 550hp

Travis

the 6.4s...?

i already have studs in mind, so whe i do the injection pump i can knock both out.

have them add a few more studs while they are at it:doh:

the 6.4s...?

I think he is refering to a D-Max. There is a D-Max shop by my house and connecting rods and cranks tend to go around 550 RWHP. What would you rather have, puking coolant or bent rods? PSD still the best!

Bad rods suck, I wish my truck blew coolant!

Bad rods suck, I wish my truck blew coolant!

Yep, I just wipe the little white spots off. I'm sure it's a lot harder to clean that window in the block!

As usual, Charles is my hero.

yeah i was talking d-max

Travis

studs are soon to be avilable!

and i would put money puking has to do with the tuning, Nobody with tunes that are out on the market has done any Cyl Pressure Tuning that has been spoking of.

With that said thier has been some real impressive numbers so far,

Travis

LOL, I got a set of studs going in my truck on Monday along with the HPFP from Elite and a set of 110 sticks!

LOL, I got a set of studs going in my truck on Monday along with the HPFP from Elite and a set of 110 sticks!

sounds like its gonna be really mean!

sounds like its gonna be really mean!

Should be! I am getting my buddy at the dealer do diagnose my puking issue as head gaskets wether it is or not. While the cabs off he is gonna yank the HPFP off and I am gonna overnight it to Elite for modifications.

Should be! I am getting my buddy at the dealer do diagnose my puking issue as head gaskets wether it is or not. While the cabs off he is gonna yank the HPFP off and I am gonna overnight it to Elite for modifications.

Haha. Always nice to have friends on the inside. LOL

seems like im gonna have to drop some extra coin at elite, haa haa!!!

I think he is refering to a D-Max. There is a D-Max shop by my house and connecting rods and cranks tend to go around 550 RWHP. What would you rather have, puking coolant or bent rods? PSD still the best!

wow thank god, i was having second thoughts about getting an extreme tune LOL

wow thank god, i was having second thoughts about getting an extreme tune LOL

in all honesty, i have faith in the bottom end til about 700 ...maybe a bit more. the 6.0 seems to have held up fine at 700 with smaller rod and main journals ...whis was beefed up in the 6.4 ...so 700 shouldnt be THAT big of a deal...but how long will it live over 700..who knows. headgaskets...i dont trust as far as i can punt them. cylinder pressure has everything to do with it, and until someone starts scoping these motors with big tunes..we're playing with fire. im just gonna put studs in to be safe.

in all honesty, i have faith in the bottom end til about 700 ...maybe a bit more. the 6.0 seems to have held up fine at 700 with smaller rod and main journals ...whis was beefed up in the 6.4 ...so 700 shouldnt be THAT big of a deal...but how long will it live over 700..who knows. headgaskets...i dont trust as far as i can punt them. cylinder pressure has everything to do with it, and until someone starts scoping these motors with big tunes..we're playing with fire. im just gonna put studs in to be safe.


im looking to do the same too, as far as studs are concerned. little skechy on the egr plated, just cuz the emissions thing coming up.
if i had nothing to worry as far as smog i would shoot for the external waste gate.

im looking to do the same too, as far as studs are concerned. little skechy on the egr plated, just cuz the emissions thing coming up.
if i had nothing to worry as far as smog i would shoot for the external waste gate.


honestly, the plates are so easily removed, it's a non-issue in my eyes.

honestly, the plates are so easily removed, it's a non-issue in my eyes.

LOL, I removed mine while I was on the phone with BIGR yesterday took about 15 minutes total to remove. I also have some photos to post up of what the EGR block kept from going into my engine over a 1 month span....... EWWWWW GROSS is all I can say.....

I think he is refering to a D-Max. There is a D-Max shop by my house and connecting rods and cranks tend to go around 550 RWHP. What would you rather have, puking coolant or bent rods? PSD still the best!

wow.... nothings like here say. and how many 6.0's are cranking out 550hp with just a tune?

The dmax is no different than ANY other platform. ####$ tuning = a pile of trashed parts.

ForTheRecord, the dmax SHOULD only be aloud to produce 475hp before changing hard parts. Even though just with a tune they will run high 12's the tuning is WAY out there to achieve that on stock parts.

Trying to keep this technical as possible

wow.... nothings like here say. and how many 6.0's are cranking out 550hp with just a tune?

The dmax is no different than ANY other platform. ####$ tuning = a pile of trashed parts.

ForTheRecord, the dmax SHOULD only be aloud to produce 475hp before changing hard parts. Even though just with a tune they will run high 12's the tuning is WAY out there to achieve that on stock parts.

Trying to keep this technical as possible

I wasn't talking about a 6.0. I was comparing 500+HP tune only 6.4 problems to what you would be dealing with if you were driving a 500+HP Dmax. I was just stating which is worse, loosing colant, or bending rods...

if you blow a head gasket and it continues to run -- at one point it will bend a rod.

Before anyone gets to carried away pointing fingers at other platforms, nobody has been running there 6.4L long enough to really do some serious damage at the 500+hp range. There are only a handfull of guys doin it.

The same principal applies here as well as the ol' 7.3L did. There were alot of bad tunes causing lots of problems.


Someone brought it up, I think garret, about cp testing on the 6.4L, wonder when that will occur?

if you blow a head gasket and it continues to run -- at one point it will bend a rod.

Before anyone gets to carried away pointing fingers at other platforms, nobody has been running there 6.4L long enough to really do some serious damage at the 500+hp range. There are only a handfull of guys doin it.

The same principal applies here as well as the ol' 7.3L did. There were alot of bad tunes causing lots of problems.


Someone brought it up, I think garret, about cp testing on the 6.4L, wonder when that will occur?

Ya I agree I was just confirming what the other poster mentioned about the Dmax.

I am getting my buddy at the dealer do diagnose my puking issue as head gaskets wether it is or not.

I'm surprised as a small business owner you would use or condone this action. I'm glad to find out you do though, because I'm going to order some stuff from you to replace my broke stuff. Then I switch the two out and claim you sent me some broke stuff. Cool how that works, huh?

so cobbs let me get this right you are trying to sneak your test mule back in under warranty?

Travis

^^^^^Why do you guys try to make a big deal out of stuff like this? YOU might not, but I bet 95% of the people modding....if they broke something and the truck would be put back to stock and the part fixed under warranty....that they would do it. I did, and have no problem saying that...my HPFP went out...why...I dunno....but I had it replaced under warranty, and am happy I did.

^^^^^Just my opinion and the way I was raised I guess, but this is straight up theft. For some reason people think stealing from big corporations is no big deal. Its cool though, I'll just pay a couple hundred more on my next truck to help pay for others not willing to man up and pay to play.:confused:

Im a Man , But sh!!!!!!!t i would return that pig to stock as well.

WOW, it wasn't even my idea! It was the TECHS! I was taking the truck in anyway for 2 small issues and those were interior related! I actually was asking him about coming to help me do the work at my shop and he said we will just do it here the problem was probably caused by the radiator anyway!

thier rods wad up into little balls around 550hp

Travis

I am going to have to disagree with that. Yes some have broken / bent rods at 500 hp but what kind of tunning where they running? With EFI available in the dmax world we have many guys out there making the Dmax look very weak in bottom end reliability. From what I am seeing this coolant leak issues is only being seen with certain tunes. Not to point the finger but.....

Studs are in the process of being built and should be readily available real soon. We have an initial order already placed.

Should be! I am getting my buddy at the dealer do diagnose my puking issue as head gaskets wether it is or not. While the cabs off he is gonna yank the HPFP off and I am gonna overnight it to Elite for modifications.

Are you running getting this run under warranty??? Is this why you are not doing it yourself at your own shop??? Has Elite tested there pump yet wondering what kind of gains they are getting out of theres?

^^^^^Why do you guys try to make a big deal out of stuff like this? YOU might not, but I bet 95% of the people modding....if they broke something and the truck would be put back to stock and the part fixed under warranty....that they would do it. I did, and have no problem saying that...my HPFP went out...why...I dunno....but I had it replaced under warranty, and am happy I did.


I don't think anyone was trying to argue that 95% of people were piece of sh*t worthless fuks.

If this weren't pure human nature, we wouldn't need rules and regulations out the ass in the first place. But.... since in absence of specific rules and consequences people will screw one another over to no end, those things have to exist.

There's always the little-known option of LEAVING THE G'DAMN TRUCK ALONE UNIL THE WARRANTY EXPIRES BEFORE YOU GO FUKING WITH IT IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO FIX IT YOURSELF.

THAT entire concept seems to have zipped right on by these "95%" out there taking what is usually a perfectly good truck, altering it to ridiculous levels of stress above and beyond what it was designed for, and then expecting the sob that built it to fix their F ups when something lets go at nearly TWO TIMES the factory rated power output.

Gee, a single tear rolls down my check cause it pains you to have someone be less than enthusiastic about you or anyone else potentially doing that.

:smirk:

I gotta say that you moved me.

Are you running getting this run under warranty??? Is this why you are not doing it yourself at your own shop??? Has Elite tested there pump yet wondering what kind of gains they are getting out of theres?

Yes, thats the only reason I am not doing it. Its not like I am really trying to hide anything anyway. I have Water/Meth Injection on the truck and a fully aftermarket fuel system along with the Spartan mounted on the windshield.

I don't think anyone was trying to argue that 95% of people were piece of sh*t worthless fuks.

If this weren't pure human nature, we wouldn't need rules and regulations out the ass in the first place. But.... since in absence of specific rules and consequences people will screw one another over to no end, those things have to exist.

There's always the little-known option of LEAVING THE G'DAMN TRUCK ALONE UNIL THE WARRANTY EXPIRES BEFORE YOU GO FUKING WITH IT IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO FIX IT YOURSELF.

THAT entire concept seems to have zipped right on by these "95%" out there taking what is usually a perfectly good truck, altering it to ridiculous levels of stress above and beyond what it was designed for, and then expecting the sob that built it to fix their F ups when something lets go at nearly TWO TIMES the factory rated power output.

Gee, a single tear rolls down my check cause it pains you to have someone be less than enthusiastic about you or anyone else potentially doing that.

:smirk:


WOW!!! a single tear runs down MY cheek to see someone that is LESS then enthusiastic and STILL has to fix something under warranty that has been modded, beacuse ford gives the ok. doesnt that kill yah!?

its only fair that i say that, being that im a "piece of sh!t worthless fvck"

WOW!!! a single tear runs down MY cheek to see someone that is LESS then enthusiastic and STILL has to fix something under warranty that has been modded, beacuse ford gives the ok. doesnt that kill yah!?

its only fair that i say that, being that im a "piece of sh!t worthless fvck"


I read that about 5 times all the way through and still can't get it.

So just in case my point was lost, I'll reiterate:

There are two possibilities here for those who operate on a morally and ethically sound basis.


- If you expect to retain a warranty on a vehicle, and expect to take it to back for them to uphold that warranty, you would leave the truck as it was configured by the ones responsible for honoring the warranty.



- If you wish to alter the truck while it would otherwise still be within the warranty period, fine. Just take the warranty, roll it up nice and tight and smoke it. Then take on the responsibility of paying for any failures that may occur.


There IS no in between.

Lets say you go into Walmart and have a basket full of stuff. You see your buddy who works for Walmart running a register and get in his line. Your buddy rings up only half the stuff in your cart. You walk out happy your buddy hooked you up. Are you a theif? Yes or No.

Now replace Walmart with Ford.

it pisses you off that "piece of #### worthless fvcks", obviously myself included, beef up their trucks and something happens. put it back to stock and still get warranty coverage.
i realize what the warranty is, and i know its my way or the highway, kinda deal. but if ford gives the ok to fix it, why not take it? wouldnt you?
as far as leaving the truck stock, i ask myself the same question...why didnt i? ill pay for the damages done if ford tells me to fvck myself. i dont think i would have a choice.

Lets say you go into Walmart and have a basket full of stuff. You see your buddy who works for Walmart running a register and get in his line. Your buddy rings up only half the stuff in your cart. You walk out happy your buddy hooked you up. Are you a theif? Yes or No.

Now replace Walmart with Ford.


LOL or i coulda said that

Charles- I dont see you making it much past 40 years with your uncontrollable anger outbursts. Whens the last time you got your blood pressure tested?:D

The Dmax will last all day long at 550 hp, dont kid yourself. The ones that dont are running so many stacked boxes and/or injectables it aint even funny.

All these damn 6.4 posts made me go buy another one..........bastards.:D

All these damn 6.4 posts made me go buy another one..........bastards.:D

Pics please. :poke:

Tell me you aint gonna let Mikey own you. When are the parts going on?

Its a CC/LB 4x4 XL White with vinyl floor/seats. The seats wont be in there long though. I like it because of the flat black front end. Shes got 39K miles and I picked it up for $23,500. The wheels/tires gotta go too. Picking it up Wednesday.

Sweet. Katskin seats? going with flat black wheels ?

I'm surprised as a small business owner you would use or condone this action. I'm glad to find out you do though, because I'm going to order some stuff from you to replace my broke stuff. Then I switch the two out and claim you sent me some broke stuff. Cool how that works, huh?

Not trying to instigate or justify either way... But what about all of the VALID warranty claims that Ford refuses to honor??

Not trying to instigate or justify either way... But what about all of the VALID warranty claims that Ford refuses to honor??

is any of that dealer choice? being that some dealers are more easy going then others?

Full leather interior.

Sweet. Katskin seats? going with flat black wheels ?

You know me too well.

Lets say you go into Walmart and have a basket full of stuff. You see your buddy who works for Walmart running a register and get in his line. Your buddy rings up only half the stuff in your cart. You walk out happy your buddy hooked you up. Are you a theif? Yes or No.

Now replace Walmart with Ford.

Um yes. That isn't complicated...

In that situation I would (and have) told them to forget that kind of sh*t if I'm involved. That's just me.

I DID patiently wait until the warranty was UP on my truck before I did ANYTHING other than change the oil and tires on it. When it clicked 100k miles I installed a 6" lift.... and went from there.

It's not as if people can't do this without the "gray" area they like to think is so complicated, and philosophical, it's just that they choose not to. They choose to mess with their truck while it's still under warranty, and then choose to go see if they can slide it back through if/when something messes up.

Others don't. Nothing complicated about it.

I wouldn't have heartburn about taking a modified truck in for power window problems under warranty, but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I took in a windowed block knowing it was my fault and not Ford's.

I wouldn't have heartburn about taking a modified truck in for power window problems under warranty, but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I took in a windowed block knowing it was my fault and not Ford's.

That's not powertrain. Aren't powertrain and body warrantied seperately?

That's not powertrain. Aren't powertrain and body warrantied seperately?

I guess I should have used the Alternator example... Now I'm unsure if that is powertrain, is it?

I guess I should have used the Alternator example... Now I'm unsure if that is powertrain, is it?

I don't know. I don't have to, because things are simple for me. If something goes wrong, I would take it in, and the truck would be the same as when it left plus a few more numbers on the odometer.

So whatever went wrong, it wouldn't be due to any modification that simply didn't occur.

Course, I wouldn't ever buy a brand new truck in the first place. So I'm clearly on a different wavelength than most responding here.

I get your drift Charles.... I wouldn't buy an expensive new truck to drop a bunch of money into it either IF I had a nice warranty to keep me warm at night.

Not trying to instigate or justify either way... But what about all of the VALID warranty claims that Ford refuses to honor??

It's the A$$wipes that abuse the warranty system that screw it up for everyone else. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THEN PAY or just STFU :D :D :D :D

It's the A$ that abuse the warranty system that screw it up for everyone else. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THEN PAY or just STFU :D :D :D :D

tell us how you really feel gene!!

tell us how you really feel gene!!

I would but I took my pills today so I'm being a nice guy LOL LOL

You take happy pills too??!!

Its a CC/LB 4x4 XL White with vinyl floor/seats. The seats wont be in there long though. I like it because of the flat black front end. Shes got 39K miles and I picked it up for $23,500. The wheels/tires gotta go too. Picking it up Wednesday.

Where are you buying from? They have any more like that? Tx Direct has one for like 22k with LOW miles...but its 2wd.

Yup, thats where I got it from. The seats arent as bad as I thought, though they will get replaced eventually. LOVE the vinyl floor. Overall its a clean truck, the black wheels will make it 100 times better.

If the 2wd they have wasnt a LWB, I would consider it...

No 2 wheeler peelers for me. A truck isnt a truck without 4WD.:D

to be honest, if i could strait up trade the truck in my sig, for a regular cab 6.4 4x4, just imagine how quick a 6.4 in that configuration with the 310 tune and a little spray would go... stupid fast.

The original 40-70hp chips and tuners in the beginning years ago were frowned apon by the auto companys, but generally accepted. When the bigger 100hp plus chips and tuners came out, it was the back breaker for the auto companys still honoring warranties.

We have guys come in the shop that get ALL of their labor done at ford dealerships because they get the labor covered under warranty due to understanding techs. It blows my mind, theyll drop 10k on parts, but pay a whole 2k to have them installed? NO WAY.

You take happy pills too??!!

They work real good , I haven't told my boss to F-ck off in over 2 years :evil :evil :evil

They work real good , I haven't told my boss to F-ck off in over 2 years :evil :evil :evil

This could be the funiest #### ive ever read lol.

Hoping to get my truck back on Monday or Tuesday, btw the gaskets were toasted and the cause has been attributed to radiator failure.

Hoping to get my truck back on Monday or Tuesday, btw the gaskets were toasted and the cause has been attributed to radiator failure.


So you're getting new heads? Warped heads is the only thing I can think of from overheating or lack of coolant to cause a gasket failure. Or is it about 9000% more likely that increased cylinder pressure actually popped them, and the heads are fine?

Are you going to stud it, or let the radiator blow them again?

:smirk:

I am pretty certain hes going back with studs

If the radiator failed, was it leaking? Did the truck overheat? The the radiator get mad at the heads and attack them with a bat??

It's the A$ that abuse the warranty system that screw it up for everyone else. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THEN PAY or just STFU :D :D :D :D


My new hero.

So you're getting new heads? Warped heads is the only thing I can think of from overheating or lack of coolant to cause a gasket failure. Or is it about 9000% more likely that increased cylinder pressure actually popped them, and the heads are fine?

Are you going to stud it, or let the radiator blow them again?

:smirk:

Heads were within tolerance so no issue there, yes studs are going in should have it back tomorrow hopefully just waiting on my HPFP to make it back from Elite! :eek:

Ford's tolerance? I remember them being pretty poor for the 6.0??

Ford's tolerance? I remember them being pretty poor for the 6.0??

3 thousands is pretty high standards. We have a full-service machine shop in-house so I told em if there is any warpage at all I will surface them myself free of charge! LOL